Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2011

Western Europe - ambiguous term, possibly needs removal

"This will also be the first time since 1998 that a country in Western Europe hosts Eurovision as the contest has been in the Middle East, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe since 1999." Well that is pure bullshit. If you're gonna exclude every other Western European country, like Denmark and Sweden, you can just as well type "this is the first time a Western European country that borders France to the west, hosts the Eurovision since 1999." It's stupid. Scandinavia is part of Western Europe, so you cannot write "first time since 1998 a Eurovision has been in Western Europe". - Jetro (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It is entirely context dependent, and Scandinavia is deemed Northern Europe as opposed to Western Europe (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/526461/Scandinavia). This makes your point fairly irrelevant as technically it is neither east nor west... steveyeu ^../(talk) 00:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No, Norway is a Western European country (as is everything in Scandinavia). 74.163.28.196 (talk) 01:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Read the relevant source I gave in the first instance, although it is very much ambiguous. steveyeu ^../(talk) 01:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Unless you are planning on completely rewriting wikipedia's article on Western Europe, and have strong sources explaining why Western Europe should be defined as excluding Scandinavia, I have to say you don't really have much of a case. I agree with Jetro. The sentence in question is simply untrue. Also your source for that claim merely lists the cities/towns that have hosted the contest without mentioning what part of Europe those places are - which suggests to me it would be OR anyway. Elvie (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a not an important thing to point out, so just don't say anything about Western Europe! Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Quite interesting. First time I've ever heard that Northern European countries Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden can't be part of the Western Europe as well. Oh well, if that's so, it can be also said that for example the United Kingdom isn't either. Here's a reliable source that states that the UK is a Northern European country, not Western European [1] :). ,,n (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Im swedish and i dont see myself as a western european. i see myself as an northern european or scandinavian person.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 11:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Quatar is planning to enter the Eurovision Song Contest in 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Radio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.67.2 (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Qatar is not a member of the EBU so it would probably not qualify MSalmon (talk) 14:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but they try to become a member of the EBU! They've already send a group to Moskau to represent themselves. Furthermore they also have a radio show which is called Qatar for Eurovision! They just wait to become a member! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.67.2 (talk) 08:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Austria is thinking about of being part of the Song Contest 2011 as well. http://www.krone.at/Show-Stars/Lena-Mania_ohne_Ende-Raab_Lena_soll_Song-Contest-Titel_2011_verteidigen-Story-202468 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.67.2 (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Turkey

So what happens with Turkey?Will they be automatically qualified in next year's final? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.173.237 (talk) 04:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Since the host country is one of the big 4, it is possible that Turkey will be automatically qualified for next year's final, being this year's highest scoring non-big 4 country. However, no reliable information regarding this matter has been published yet. It is also possible that only the big 4 will be automatically qualified next year, meaning that there will be only 24 countries in the final.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Another question about Turkey. Where has it been stated that Turkey would withdraw from the contest? Some IP user just added that kind of information to the article [2]. Sounds very weird that a country that has been one of the most successful in the Eurovision Song Contest last few years and has just finished second in this year's event (which is a very good achievement) would almost immediately, just few hours after, announce their withdrawal from the next year's contest. ,,n (talk) 05:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

There are NO current web sources saying that Turkey will withdrawal from the competition. In light of this and coupled with the fact the post made no grammatical sense as it was obviously posted by a non English speaker I have removed that fact from the page as it is at this time, misleading. If the poster wants to repost adding a reliable web source to back up the statement, then that's fine but not until.

4 countries auto qualifying?

it doesnt seem right. based on what i read on wikipedia the 2 place qualifies for next years final if a big 4 country win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk) 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It is possible, but no reliable information regarding this matter has been published yet.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 12:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Netherlands

Why is the Netherlands removed as confirmed contestant? Broadcaster TROS confirmed they want to take part to the contest in 2011 TROS is only thinking about the way the national finals will take place. http://esfmagazine.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/tros-procedure-2011-staat-nog-niet-vast/ (in dutch) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane doe10 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Italy

Surely it won't take part to ESC once more. However, if you need a reliable source, here are the words of Mr Svante Stockselius in te press conference of the 26th of May: Every year I think we get a little closer but we're not quite there yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.31.43.211 (talk) 11:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Andorra

Andorra did not even take part last year , no need for the undecided/withdrawn thing...

I deleted it but got a warning... Lurji (talk) 11:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

If there is sources for this claims then it shouldnt be deleted.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

There was none , and they were already out. Same with HJunfary Lurji (talk) 13:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No there is a source from Esctoday which was published today on the Andorra statement. So no need to delete that.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 13:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Hungary

Why is hungary in the undecided box when it should be in a new possible returns section...? --Lurji (talk) 13:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Because it hasnt decided 100% yet if it will participate but is ver liikely to. Wait for confirmationof the news before puting it on the article.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 13:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Number of automatically qualified finalists

"Due to Germany's automatic qualification, the next highest country who confirms participation will automatically qualify through to the final." This should be deleted from the article. No official information has been posted regarding the number of automatically qualified finalists in next year's final. The rules of the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest do not take into consideration that the host country could be one of the big 4. Accordingly, it is not known whether there will be 4 or 5 automatically qualified finalists next year.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I have revised the statement to reflect the uncertainty. dllu (talk) 15:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Are there really any uncertainties? Sure, Wikipedia editors doesn't seem to know, but I'm pretty sure EBU already knows how to deal with the situation. If I had to guess, though, I'd say that 24 countries in the final, or 11 countries advancing from one of the semi finals seems much more likely than letting the 2nd place from last year get a free pass. TrondM (talk) 00:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The EBU most certainly know how to deal with the situation, but nothing is mentioned in the rules of the Contest, and no official statement has been made. I am also very certain that we will see a 24-country final next year, but that does not qualify as a reliable source.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It won't be 11 from one semifinal as countries in the semifinal that just allow 10 through would all complain, so I would be almost 100% certain that we will have a 24 country final. Nathan | ^talk 13:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

based on what i read in the rules, the second place will qualify for the final since the first place is a big 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The rules change almost every year, there's no way of telling whether the second place country from this year will automatically make the final. Also no where in the 2010 rules does this matter come up. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 16:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

PLEASE Semi Protect this article because of all the vandalism which I am tired of revertingMSalmon (talk) 15:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Request can be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Of which I already added this article before you posted. :) -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 16:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks MSalmon (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you :) --Lurji (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

So I did, someone put Sicily, Jersey an Brittany as posible debuts...

Participation Map

How do I change the map to show the countries that have been confirmed because the current one is wrong. MSalmon (talk) 10:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The map is an SVG, this can be edited with the free Inkscape programme. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 10:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I tried that but it doesn't work MSalmon (talk) 10:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Might be better to explain in detail why it doesn't seem to work? Since it works fine for me. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easier for you to do it since it works for you? MSalmon (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

OK then, what's wrong with it? -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Greece needs to be added and Portugal removed MSalmon (talk) 11:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

See that's what got me. I always do I quick count on the map and the article, so counted the same but did not know Portugal had been removed and Greece added. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia confirms participation

Eftim Gashtov, CEO of MRTV, the Macedonian state broadcaster has confirmed that the country will take part in next year's Eurovision Song Contest.[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.35.189.15 (talk) 08:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is true. Source: http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=A4FCBF104618114FAC3B38EEFA8CD070. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.123.67 (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

That site is just telling you about Hamburg and Berlin wanting to host in 2011 and an analysis of 2010. It doesn't say they are entering in 2011.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harkinson (talk • contribs) 15:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

In the last paragraph of the article, Eftin Gashtov denies the rumours of Macedonia withdrawing from next year's contest, stating that the Macedonian broadcaster will invite representatives from the media to an open debate programme in order to find out which changes could be done to the Macedonian national selection for the Eurovision Song Contest.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia is on the participant map, but not on the list which means there is no valid source to their participation.--Teodor Hansi (talk) 20:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Austria

Has Austria really confirmed participation in the 2011 edition this early? The source is exactly the same as when they where in the possible returns section.--Teodor Hansi (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

United Kingdom

the viewers of bbc wants the channel to withdraw. therefore it should be listed under possible withdrawals. http://www.nrk.no/programmer/tv/melodi_grand_prix/1.7146879 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk) 14:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The viewers do not decide what the BBC does, therefore the UK should not be listed until a reliable source is found. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 14:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Qatar?

Is Qatar taking part or not? I only have one source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miskolc10 (talk • contribs) 09:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

They most likely wont be a part of next years contest, they are not an EBU member yet, and I am not sure if they can become one either. The only debut we will have is Liechtenstein I think.--Teodor Hansi (talk) 09:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC) based on what i read they got their membership early.

Not only are they not EBU members, but they don't have a television broadcaster that will air the contest. The interested party is a radio station. So their participation is impossible at this point.Evilperson 20 (talk) 03:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Norway confirmed

norway always participates unless they choose to boycott esc. participation is rather important in norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

And? We can't just add it. Anything can happen during now and then, that could force them to pull out. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

norway will participate next year. i am already discussing it on nrks own forum.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk • contribs)

Norway can be added once a reliable source confirming participation is presented. Camaron · Christopher · talk 08:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Lena to perform (again)

The information that Lena Meyer-Landrut will represent Germany in ESC 2011 should not come under the "Participating countries" sub section "Confirmed" but in the "Returning artists". Source is hereKamalSagraha (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I have removed this confirmation. Firstly, is ESC Nation really a reliable source? There are higher standards for content related to living people, so I am taking this out until concerns are resolved per WP:GRAPEVINE. The content also contradicted the Lena Meyer-Landrut article, which have Lena's return to the contest as a maybe, with more established reliable sources treating this more as a possibility. Yes it is clear that Stefan Raab favours this planned return by Lena, but there is no evidence of wider confirmation from the broadcaster; the ESC Nation article seems entirely based on one quote from Stefan Raab. That is not enough to confirm participation. Camaron · Christopher · talk 08:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I opened a Returning Artists section because of the Lena return in 2011 for Germany. SteliosGR(talk) 12:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothing is confirmed. It is the broadcaster that confirms who goes to Eurovision and they have yet to confirm it.Evilperson 20 (talk) 03:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is another source. From ESCDaily.com KamalSagraha (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

This article seems to be based on the same quote from Stefan Raab, not a very solid confirmation. I think we should wait until there is a clear conformation from the broadcaster. In any case, we cannot have this article and the Lena Meyer-Landrut saying different things. On returning articles sections, I think the debate needs to be held on if these sections should be there at all, as they have appeared in articles without any consensus. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Switzerland

Who removes Switzerland all the time? SteliosGR(talk) 17:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

All information on who added and removed content can be found in the edit history. It was this this diff that removed Switzerland. A reason was not given, however the source did not appear to be reliable. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Norway confirms participation

The official Norwegian facebook page (made by NRK, the Norwegian broadcaster) for Eurovision/Melodi Grand Prix, confirmed Norway's participation in 2011. http://www.facebook.com/melodigrandprix?ref=ts In the status posted the 4th of June, it is written in Norwegian that they will start working on the Norwegian national final (Melodi Grand Prix) soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lllkmoup (talk • contribs) 00:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 80.192.50.245, 8 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The United Kingdom will take part from http://www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision/ in a grey box at the top right of the page

80.192.50.245 (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Nowhere on there does it say the UK will participate, nor does it even contain the words "United Kingdom" It just says the BBC will air it in 2011. Please provide a source saying the UK will actually participate, not just air it. CTJF83 pride 02:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry my bad. Didnt mean to offend you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.50.245 (talk) 13:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Nowhere was I offended, please find a source, and I will gladly add it for you. CTJF83 pride 18:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, could you please add my source about Norway's participation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lllkmoup (talk • contribs) 10:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done facebook is not a valid reference, please find a Reliable Source and I'll add it. CTJF83 pride 16:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

References for countries painted in the map but still not listed

The FYR of Macedonia, the Netherlands and Switzerland have confirmed participation, and they're painted in the map.

The references for each one (to be finally listed) are:

* The FYR of Macedonia: http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=A4FCBF104618114FAC3B38EEFA8CD070. 
  The last paragraph: Mr. Eftin Gashtov (MRT's directive) denies the rumours of Macedonia withdrawing from next year's contest
* The Netherlands: http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/13036. 
  TROS has a deal until 2012.
* Switzerland: http://www.oikotimes.com/v2/index.php?file=articles&id=8368. 
  SF wants to recover NF. 

Please, add these three countries to the list of confirmed countries. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.163.18.137 (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Gera

Germany: Gera also wants to host Eurovision 2011 --78.48.40.93 (talk) 18:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)