Wikipedia talk:Tutorial (historical)

Verification

This is the hardest thing I ever had to do, I can't believe how many hours I have been on this site trying to figure out how to create a paragraph and then post it to this site. I feel so stupid and still can't post anything why isn't there a phone number and live person to talk too —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrakosi (talk • contribs) 00:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

This tutorial does not clearly express the importance of citing references when adding content to Wikipedia. Content in Wikipedia must be verifiable. This tutorial suggests that an External links section can be used as a substitute for a References or Notes and references section. This tutorial does not agree with WP:Verifiability, WP:MOS, Wikipedia:Guide to layout, and Wikipedia's guidelines on external links.

If instructions to new users do not agree with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, you can expect a lot of unsourced personal opinion and experience being recorded in Wikipedia. This tutorial encourages new editors to Be Bold without making it clear to everyone that verifiable sources are required for all text added to Wikipedia articles. This in an encyclopedia.

I strongly suggest you clean up this tutorial ASAP. It's been misleading new editors for over three years. --64.181.91.212 02:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the External links instructions should be replaced with Citing sources instructions that describe how to use <ref></ref>, <references/>, and {{Reflist}}. Comments? --Foggy Morning 04:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

let's do it ! ok i like doing it!!--Sekule 16:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

How? --65.78.215.78 02:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Let's call the tab "Citing sources", and adjust the text to focus on proper citations in footnotes ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 05:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I looked into this and the code whores Citing sources are both good titles for this tab. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 20:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I renamed the page, but made only minor modifications to the text. If you want to modify it more substantially, go ahead. Cenarium (talk) 21:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Consider new tab?

It would be helpful to incorporate an "advanced editing" tab that explains how to nominate AFDs and CFDs, and how to delete articles and categories one creates in error (ie, by misspelling, or by not noticing an existing similarly-named category.). I've been editing for years, but every time I encounter a potential AFD, I have turn over heaven and earth to find the instructions again. --TheEditrix2 17:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree this would be useful. I don't kow how to edit tab pages. Do you know how to edit tab pages? --Foggy Morning 14:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It'd be better to just improve/clarify the instructions at WP:AFD. -- Quiddity (talk) 20:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I disagree. I think that we need to keep the tutorial as simple as possible. This tutorial should be designed primarily to help people add accurate information or fix incorrect information, especially those who are only reading this to make a single edit. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

hacked link on page?

the "let's learn about editing" link on this page links to private listing for a company advertising their classified ad services. anyone know where this came from or how to fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TashiD (talk • contribs) 19:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. It was just a standard editing test that noone had yet reverted. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Quiddity (talk) 20:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

TOC

See Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost Tutorials. —Markles 17:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Editnotices for sandboxes

Using editnotices for tutorial sandboxes could help new users, with a sandbox-like introduction and more content hidden that users can show if wanted, based on the related tutorial. I have given editnotices that we could use at User:Cenarium/Sandbox/tutorial editnotice. Feedback and improvements would be appreciated, thanks. Cenarium (talk) 23:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Without taking a close look at the actual notices you've set up, I say go for it: I just plain like this idea. We've just recently put up an editnotice at Editor Assistance/Requests and the results were immediately visible. They are very helpful for new users. Good idea, Cenarium!  :-] Fleetflame 15:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I take it this is done now? Looks good. Rd232 ^talk 15:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I added ones for editing, formatting and Wikipedia links. They can be edited (by admins) at Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox, etc. We can discuss them here for improvements. Cenarium (talk) 17:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks great! L∴V 14:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice for this page

Located at Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Tutorial. Cenarium (talk) 15:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Question

At the bottom of the "Wrap-up and more info" page, there's a link that reads "en:Viquipèdia:Guia bàsica/Resum". Should that be there? Springflight (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It was meant to be one of the interwiki links on the sidebar, but had a typo - fixed now , cheers! Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 23:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

shortcut to tutorial

Hi ya'll. Just want to mention, H:T goes to Help:Template, while WP:T goes here. Seems like it should be different is all. JoeSmack ^Talk 02:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Button on screen to be clicked rather than pressed

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial_(Talk_pages) It says:

For your convenience, there is a button at the top of the edit box with a signature icon inserts "--~~~~" when pressed.

I think it should read "clicked" rather than "pressed". AmigoCgn (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Clicked may be a better term - have changed, cheers! Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 22:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

While we're on the subject, there are some issues with that particular sentence ("For your convenience, there is a button at the top of the edit box with a signature icon inserts "--~~~~" when clicked."). I feel it should read "For your convenience, there is a button at the top of the edit box with a signature icon which inserts "--~~~~" when clicked. I don't think I myself am actually able/allowed to make that correction, though, so I leave the matter in your wiser and more capable hands. ;) - ReySquared (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

You're right - good spot. Just fixed it.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 22:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Editing Protected Pages

Many Wikipedia pages are now protected and new users, who may be subject matter experts, will have difficulty understanding the complexity of different types of protection. This issue makes editing very difficult and discourages contributions to Wikipedia. WikiProject pages require special access to make edits. I would like to see a tab in the tutorial section called: Editing Protected Pages. Currently in Wikipedia there are links in different places leading to pages explaining protection. I have found that the format is not in a "learning style" and it is necessary to find and click on many links on different pages to gain a more complete understanding of how to edit protected articles. Figlinus (talk) 00:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

clarity on the "Citing references" page

It would have been a help to me if the line:

• <ref>YOUR SOURCE</ref>

would have been followed by the words: This will put a footnote reference number in superscript after the last word before the tagged entry.--Ngstanton (talk) 14:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

MY HEADLINES

I`m about to buy cellphone this July...a Nokia cellphone... Scheherezade... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald boyles (talk • contribs) 17:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Tabbed Heading

I'm curious as to how these tabbed headings are done. I work for a company that uses a MediaWiki wiki for its documentation, but I haven't spotted an extension that does tabs like this page. How does Wikipedia do it? Loudlikeamouse (talk) 14:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Pac-Man new world record

There is now a new Pac-Man world record by Jack Blake the score is 507,836,780 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AZJack100 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)