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Arbitration Case opened[edit]

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re your previous - The science of, and writings on, silver obviously predates US english and therefore needs to be written in proper english.[edit]

re your previous -

The science of, and writings on, silver obviously predates US english and therefore needs to be written in proper english.

Jim colhern (talk) 21:53, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I answered on your talk page. Feel free to ask there, or here, if you have any more questions.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 00:47, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


I split out the unreadable template into separate ones. So I think the smaller one will do. Sorry for not putting a comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hewerwhale (talkcontribs) 18:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

It is not unreadable; there are far worse templates on WP in terms of readability, but they provide navigation between a set of related articles so serve a useful purpose. E.g. {{Chinese language}} or {{United States presidential election, 2016}}. {{Chinatowns}} is valuable as a visual overview of the location and distribution of Chinatowns, as well as links to individual articles. The one you replaced it with {{Chinatown}} does none of this, and is so small it is easily overlooked.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 18:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


See here Why did you remove this? Do you think we shouldn't link these characters to Wiktionary? ―Justin (koavf)TCM 07:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I missed out the edit summary – I did a null edit to supply it. You removed the markup that indicates its in Chinese, i.e. the HTML spans that are useful for browsers to properly display the characters, for screen readers and other automated tools. I don’t see the point of linking to Wiktionary there, no more than we would link them to sun. moon as common words, not relevant to the topic, especially as the translations are provided right next to them.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 07:50, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Del (letter) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Del (letter). Since you had some involvement with the Del (letter) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 16:43, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leandroxavier (talkcontribs) 19:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)


This template needs attention. It appears we can either make the map or the category work, but not bothRathfelder (talk) 23:14, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Rathfelder, I fixed it by disabling the category. You can re-add the correct, or add another, category manually.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:20, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm quite happy with that.Rathfelder (talk) 23:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lakshipur[edit]

Hello JohnBlackburne,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Lakshipur for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Catmando999 Check out his talk page! 03:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

That’s fine. I moved it from the talk page to the article page, having checked it existed on a map, fixed a few small things, but have no interest in improving it further. Easy enough for someone to recreate if they have something to write, with sources.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 03:22, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

History of science template[edit]

Hi, there is a new Template:History of science navbar in use in what I thought was all the articles listed in the Template:History of science sidebar: so there ought not to be any articles left using the sidebox. Since several of the HoS articles have several navigation bars, it makes sense to have HoS as a navbar also. This also allows articles to use images rather than being cluttered up with navigation on the right hand side. If I missed any articles I'm happy to go and fix them, but it seems unwise to leave the old template in place unmodified. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:33, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Further ... not sure why I hadn't thought to check What links here. Done that: only user and project pages left. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Chiswick Chap, there is nothing wrong with the sidebar. It has been around for over a decade in some form, and added by editors to articles who thought it useful and improved the article. A History of Science article does not normally need a lead image – it is not a person, place or creature which has a natural representation – but this is something to be addressed in individual articles, not a reason to remove it from others.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 13:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Well, thanks for replying. I am not impugning this sidebar in particular, nor do I think it was poorly structured or anything like that - it covered what was necessary. My point is simply that several of the articles actually had two or more extensive side-boxes, and in some cases also several navigation bars at the end. Having History of science join Philosophy of science and the other navigation bars is practical, convenient and space-saving, giving readers the option of browsing if they wish, but not forcing it on them as they start to read an article. The case for using compact, collapsible navbars in a well-standardised format is more or less overwhelming, really.
On images, I only mention them because they are one of the reasons why having multiple sideboxes is undesirable: other reasons include distraction and taking up space especially on the smaller screens of mobile devices. I haven't gone about adding or deleting lead images from HoS articles and wasn't thinking of doing so. I don't believe these articles need images more or less than articles on any other topic; where an image seems natural and appropriate, I would certainly use one. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


I see the problem, and believe that I have fixed it, but the argument was there is no MoS for whitespace not that "it was there before". If you doubt, click the "new section" link at the top of the page and then provide both a subject and a body. Save the new section. Once saved, edit the page to see how it appears. This is the way that spacing is to be done. Cheers. (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

You reintroduced a wide space at the top due to multiple blank lines that I had fixed. That was the damage and why I reverted you. I have no view on the other changes but you should not blindly revert or restore a previous version without checking intervening edits and fixes.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 17:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
You wrote, in part, "and 'it was like that before' is not a reason to restore it", yet I did not supply that as my argument. My argument was, "Restore to last stable version. There is no Whitespace MoS! But if you use Add Section you'll see that this is the correct whitespace". You did not just revert that edit, you reverted the correct addition of whitespace. You should not blindly revert or restore a previous version without checking what you're actually doing is correct.
Your reason was wrong, and instead of admitting that, you simply focused on one element of your revert, one that you thought you did correctly. (talk) 17:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Umami and Talk:Umami[edit]

Hello JohnBlackburne: Would appreciate your review of the Talk discussion and history of activity by user (SOCK with IP Similar trolling as at Garum. Will follow your reply here. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 23:48, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


JohnBlackburne, I don't understand your statement that "Chris55 overreacted badly bringing it here" -- to the Incidents Noticeboard. I don't see what other recourse I had to such a threat. There seem to be scientist editors who think they understand everything scientific perfectly and can impose their prejudices absolutely. This editor reacted violently quite out of proportion to the matter in hand and is continuing to slash and burn his way through the article without ever discussing it on the talk page. Chris55 (talk) 19:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

My reaction to receiving an unwarranted warning on my talk page is just to ignore it. If the editor then escalates it to e.g. a notice board I might respond, but a boilerplate notice written by someone else is not even worth responding to. Just ignore it and let whatever the issue is let it de-escalate as everyone calms down and gets on with improving the encyclopaedia.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 19:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
You're probably right. But maybe you've never been bullied. However it's receiving plenty of attention on the Fringe Noticeboard. So he has plenty of friends. Chris55 (talk) 22:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Cebu etc.[edit]

There is a new set of problems. Basically, wikidata has been building (still) a lot of addition parts - basically all municipalities (and cities) have given its barangays. It seems though that wikidata brings everything rather then just the parts required.

I know wikidata is pretty bad, but this is really something else.

What can be done?

(By the way, changing <wiki>{{PH town table|07.... to {{PH town table/mid|07....</nowiki> is worse.)

– Alice 张梦平 20:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice Zhang Mengping (talkcontribs)

I have looked it longer. When the edit is preview, it works fine. It doesn't show any problem until the edit is done. Then there errors all over the place, from halfway the table. I don't understand - if the preview goes to the end without problem, than it seems like the 'real' edit it should work properly. If the review doesn't work the same as the 'real' than what is it for?
What I want to do is version2. There should be an umbrella where ALL wd is read, e.g. area={{PH wikidata|area|{{{3|}}}}} each read only once, then used as internal variables.
I have filled all cities and municipalities in Siquijor and Bohol. I have made only half of the cities/municipalities in Cebu. I would need an addition module, which can just get the number of e.g. barangay within municipality. Similarly it may be a need to get the nth element.
In an aside, there will be a problem for population (2020) and electoral (also 2020} when there would be a need for showing (current) and (penultimate) – currently the elements are (current) and (the other one).
Alice 张梦平 05:57, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
What you describe is normal, for expensive pages. Each time they are generated, so in preview or when saved, it takes a different amount of time. For expensive pages that means sometimes they take too long and it stops executing scripts and you see errors. Purging the page forces it to regenerate the page and can clear the errors.
There was a discussion about this recently at the village pump: see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_153#The time allocated for running scripts has expired. Probably better to talk about the template at its talk page, or another related page, than here or again at the village pump.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 06:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Out of curiosity...[edit]

I noticed that you are an expert with ActionScript.

Does that mean you know JavaScript by default?

How much overlap is there between the two? The Transhumanist 01:38, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

They both descended from a common language but have diverged rapidly since. Similarities now are more down to convergent evolution – e.g. both have added support for 3D with Stage3D and WebGL. But they are distinct enough that knowing one does not mean you know the other, and I have very little experience with Javascript.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 02:18, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification. The common language they diverged from was ECMAScript?
By the way, who are the best JavaScript programmers you know of on Wikipedia? The Transhumanist 06:52, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Yes, ECMAScript. As for JS programmers I have no idea. If you have a particular problem you need help with then there are various noticeboards you can post on. Normally who has time/is interested in a problem is more important than level of expertise.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 06:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Wish me luck. The Transhumanist 02:34, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Coord for mountains[edit]

I edit conflicted with you at Garnet Peak. I am very unsure of {{coord}} but digging around makes me think some extra parameters are wanted. Please see my edit. The type affects the URL of the link used for the coordinates value in the infobox, although I don't know what it does exactly. Johnuniq (talk) 09:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

BTW, I am developing a plan to deal with 2016–17 PlusLiga, with a module. Johnuniq (talk) 09:57, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I think the type helps it decide the zoom level, which you can also specify explicitly, but saying what it is is far easier. I try and add it and any other parameters that are there, but had not been adding it otherwise. It makes sense though for e.g mountains so will try and do so. And yes, the Polish football league. I have purged it a couple of times as a temporary fix, but had not looked into what else might be done.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 10:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

16, March 2017, (Orders of Magnitude/Numbers Reversion)[edit]

Thanks for the warning, regarding edit war. (I was new, and had not yet observed that particular rule)

An update announcement (together with reasoning) was left on the page of the other party. 24 hours was noted as a window within which the other party should respond. After 24 hours, it appears there is concession. The proper reversion has been made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProgrammingGodJordan (talkcontribs) 01:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)