User talk:MuZemike

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WikiCup 2010 June newsletter We're half way through 2010, and the end of the WikiCup is in sight! Round 3 is over, and we're down to our final 16. Our pool winners were Ian Rose (submissions) (A), Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (B, and the round's overall leader), ThinkBlue (submissions) (C) Casliber (submissions) and TonyTheTiger (submissions) (D, joint), but, with the scores reset, everything is to play for in our last pooled round. The pools will be up before midnight tonight, and have been selected randomly by J Milburn. This will be the toughest round yet, and so, as ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Though unaffiliated with the WikiCup, July sees the third Great Wikipedia Dramaout- a project with not dissimilar goals to the WikiCup. Everyone is welcome to take part and do their bit to contribute to the encyclopedia itself. If you're interested in the scores for the last round of the Cup, please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Round 3 and Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Full/Round 3. Our thanks go to Stone (submissions) for compiling these. As was predicted, Group C ended up the "Group of Death", with 670 points required for second place, and, therefore, automatic promotion. This round will probably be even tougher- again, the top two from each of the two groups will make it through, while the twelve remaining participants will compete for four wildcard places- good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 Funny On some level, I do find this somewhat funny as the idiot who was accusing me edit-warring and promoting Indian nationalism engages in sockpuppetry, edit-warring, and fails to adhere to WP:NPOV. Atleast in his SPI case against me, he could have gotten the CONTINENT right (for one, I don't live in Uttar Pradesh, India). I suspect however that this was just an attempt to defame me or shut me up because I contested his ridiculous edits. Suffice it to say, I am happy to put this chapter behind me. Vedant (talk) 18:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC) Sovietia is getting restless Hi MuZemike. In case you haven't already seen it, the IP socks of Sovietia (talk · contribs) are disgruntled: [1] and [2]. Care to negotiate? Favonian (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC) Sovietia reblocked 2 weeks as well as 70.22.128.0/19. I feel like we're playing Deal or No Deal or something... –MuZemike 16:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC) Prestige Management Hi, I have just nominated via PROD Prestige Management (created in Nov 2006) only to be warned about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prestige Management dateing back to 2004 so a two part question : a) should it be speedy G4; and if not b) what should I do ? Codf1977 (talk) 16:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC) It's a significant improvement (albeit still unsourced and likely still not notable) from the version deleted per the 2004 VFD, and since this was about 6 years ago, I wouldn't delete per G4. I would just send it to a 2nd AFD just so you don't get some wikilawyer say "well, it was already deleted before" stuff. –MuZemike 16:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC) Thanks - Will do. Codf1977 (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC) Advice thanks for the advice. i am new to wikipedia and was promptly edit attacked by others without any explanation or warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatimamadar (talk • contribs) 21:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC) What you need to do is to discuss civilly with Everard Proudfoot instead persistently reverting, as the latter is considered disruptive. We also have the dispute resolution process in which you can ask for third opinions and all sorts of other good stuff. –MuZemike 21:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC) inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Quintana (2nd nomination) What a can-o-worms. Might I ask for an expansion and opinion toward the multiple arguments toward guideline and policy... and that you address User:S Marshall's point-by-point refutation of the nominator's reasons for nomination, and the number of !votes that simply echoed the nominator even after his points were proven invalid? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC) Or, you could put it up for review. I'm sure the closing action will be endorsed. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC) DRV? Heck no. I have full faith and trust in MuZemike. I simply wished expansion on his rationale. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC) The other !votes had slightly different deletion rationales than that of the nom, but they all converged to one specific point. Multiple editors have also refuted the refutation, which you could argue was also valid. I'd also argue that many (not all) of the arguments for deletion were more grounded in policy and guidelines than the reasons for retention (in which I also found a few faults in those arguments). That being said, one side was not going to be happy regardless of how I closed it. –MuZemike 01:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC) I do not envy you your decision... and have a sneaking suspician that a better version may return in the future, a version that will then have to be judged on its own. This guy just cannot keep himself out of the press. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC) If you want a userfication or incubation, you know where to find me, assuming you're right :) –MuZemike 02:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC) (chuckle) As I offered in the AFD, I do not like this guy and would never vote for him. Writng about him? I'll mull that one over. And thank you for the clarification. Much appreciated. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC) Npov banner on Yugoslav destroyer Split Hi. I'm scanning through ship articles with NPOV tags. Looking at the current article and your diff from 2008, I see nothing particularly controversial. As there's nothing on the article's talk page, I'm stumped. Do you see any remaining NPOV problems on the page? Thanks. HausTalk 06:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC) Perhaps I saw that lead as raising a big red flag as far as NPOV is concerned, which was why I added the NPOV tag there. I'd be perfectly happy with its removal if that lead is changed to a more neutral sentence such as: Split was a destroyer built for the Yugoslav Navy in 1938. She was built by Yarrow Shipbuilders and was named after the city of the same name. She was aquired in 1950 and was commissioned in July 1958 and was decommissioned in 1980. Of course, that is just a suggestion by me, but I think that is a good start there and sums up the article for the most part with what there is right now. –MuZemike 07:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC) Done and done. Thanks for the quick response. HausTalk 07:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC) List of Protestant missionaries killed during the Boxer Rebellion Hi. This qualified for deletion as a stand alone but in the discussion I made a strong case that a short list of agencies involved with casualty figures should be incorporated into a parent article such as China Martyrs of 1900. but- since this was deleted without any effort expended to amend the article - we lost the simple list for the count. Can you please put a restored copy into my talk page or something? It would save the time of having to look all of this up again in an out-of-print book. Thanks.Brian0324 (talk) 13:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)  Done User:Brian0324/List of Protestant missionaries killed during the Boxer Rebellion. –MuZemike 14:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC) Thanks - sorry - can you copy the China Inland Mission list for me as well?Brian0324 (talk) 17:57, 6 July 2010 (UTC)