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:::You do not understand what evolution is if you dismiss it as "just a theory," and assume that this article is violating a Neutral Point of View because we aren't bowing down to religious fanatics who want everyone to worship a literal interpretation of the Bible.--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 01:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:::You do not understand what evolution is if you dismiss it as "just a theory," and assume that this article is violating a Neutral Point of View because we aren't bowing down to religious fanatics who want everyone to worship a literal interpretation of the Bible.--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 01:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Once more, with feeling: [[Evolution as theory and fact]] explains how the words "theory" and "fact" apply here. Arkatox, please read and understand it before pressing this any further. If we are going to have a useful discussion, we can't go around saying things like, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." __ [[User:Just plain Bill|Just plain Bill]] ([[User talk:Just plain Bill|talk]]) 01:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Once more, with feeling: [[Evolution as theory and fact]] explains how the words "theory" and "fact" apply here. Arkatox, please read and understand it before pressing this any further. If we are going to have a useful discussion, we can't go around saying things like, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." __ [[User:Just plain Bill|Just plain Bill]] ([[User talk:Just plain Bill|talk]]) 01:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

"It speaks of Evolution as fact"
:: As it should and is demonstrable.
"and yet it is just a scientific theory, not a scientific law"
:: Theories are the explantions of laws and facts.
"and it seems to imply the theory of evolution is correct"
:: That's because it is.[[Special:Contributions/108.15.17.159|108.15.17.159]] ([[User talk:108.15.17.159|talk]])

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Clarity

Great job on the intro. I think that it could still use a final polish for WP:Clarity and WP:Use plain English. The wording is still a little abstruse and technical for such a common topic as Evolution. If you could keep the detail that you have added while narrowing down the wordy explanations, I think that would really improve the ability to comprehend what the article is actually talking about.--Gniniv (talk) 05:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudoextinction

Pseudoextinction should be added under out comes of evolution.--Ollyoxenfree (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

suggested change to the History of Evolutionary thought section

Suggesting a change of inaccurate wording in the History of Evolutionary thought section.  

Current wording:

The roots of scientific thinking can be dated to at least the 6th century BCE

Suggested wording change:

The roots of naturalistic thinking can be dated to at least the 6th century BCE

This article without the suggested change seems to imply that science was invented in the 6th century. It ignores the reality of pyramids and farming and other forms of science and mathematics that long predate Evolution.Nishauncom (talk) 01:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the problem with this sentence has more to do with the subject of the thinking, evolution or biology, being missing rather than whether the roots of said subject are scientific or naturalistic. Since naturalistic thinking includes non-biological topics, the change above would merely shift the problem to another adjective. I'll edit the text to something like ...

The roots of naturalistic thinking about biology can be dated to at least the 6th century BCE

Cheers, --PLUMBAGO 11:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for keeping the word naturalistic though; "scientific thinking on biology" may not compute, some may find it a redundancy. Though it is not technically one, when the word scientific is used in reference to Evolution it can be seen as an attempt at unbiasedness.--Nishauncom (talk) 11:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Our Time

The BBC programme In Our Time presented by Melvyn Bragg has an episode which may be about this subject (if not moving this note to the appropriate talk page earns cookies). You can add it to "External links" by pasting * {{In Our Time|Evolution|p00545gl}}. Rich Farmbrough, 03:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Neutrality

At the suggestion (and almost demand) of John, I will mention this here, instead of using tags that I don't really understand how to use.

This article kind of violates Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy. It speaks of Evolution as fact, and yet it is just a scientific theory, not a scientific law. As it says in the rules, and everyone should know by now, Wikipedia's articles should be from a neutral point of view, not by the point of view of a fan, not by the point of view of someone who believes in a certain thing, not by any point of view except neutrality. Just saying.

Anyway, I guess it's not completely my business. Then again it might be. Oh well. --Arkatox (talk) 00:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Evolution as theory and fact explains how the terminology applies. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 00:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know what evolution is, but I've been looking over the article and (I may be wrong, I was not completely thorough), and it seems to imply the theory of evolution is correct. Oh well, as I said, I wasn't too thorough (I kinda overviewed the article, reading parts here and there). I'm probably just chasing a wild goose. Sometime I'll read through the entire article. --Arkatox (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You do not understand what evolution is if you dismiss it as "just a theory," and assume that this article is violating a Neutral Point of View because we aren't bowing down to religious fanatics who want everyone to worship a literal interpretation of the Bible.--Mr Fink (talk) 01:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Once more, with feeling: Evolution as theory and fact explains how the words "theory" and "fact" apply here. Arkatox, please read and understand it before pressing this any further. If we are going to have a useful discussion, we can't go around saying things like, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." __ Just plain Bill (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"It speaks of Evolution as fact"

As it should and is demonstrable.

"and yet it is just a scientific theory, not a scientific law"

Theories are the explantions of laws and facts.

"and it seems to imply the theory of evolution is correct"

That's because it is.108.15.17.159 (talk)