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NLP

I think it should be added that Derren completely disagrees that NLP has any use at all, in fact he states in his latest book that he thinks the claims made for its uses are complete lies and that its a con. What does anyone else think?

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The current photo is enough to scare small children, can we get a better one? Get someone to take one, or ask permission to use a copyrighted shot? Any volunteers for the former/candidates for the latter? —what a crazy random happenstance 17:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we could use a different photograph. Viriditas (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article previously used this image, to which Brown apparently "released all rights" to. I'm not sure why it changed. The current photo, with its slightly odd photoshopping from "leaning in for a fan photo" to "standing straight in front of a wall" certainly isn't ideal. --McGeddon (talk) 13:09, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support older photo per above. Also need better categorization on commons. Viriditas (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With no objection, I've restored the old image, and added a new person category to commons with the old image included. Viriditas (talk) 11:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The picture seems to have disappeared. Where did it go? PatrickAnimi(talk) 10:26, 20 September 2010

It was deleted as a copyright violation.[1] --AussieLegend (talk) 09:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get another one, then? There was talk above of a copyright-free image, but that seems to have dissipated into the ether, too. PatrickAnimi(talk) 10:26, 20 September 2010

The supposed copyright-free image was the image that was deleted as a copyvio. I've already restored the free image that started this discussion. It will have to do for now. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Password to magicians only area on public wiki page - request for removal

Slingb's comment removed by Slingb, no longer relevant Slingb (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I indicated in my last edit summary, and on your talkpage, Wikipedia is not censored. Since the page is publicly available to any magician, and there are no restrictions on who may be a magician, I don't see any reason for removing the content. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slingb's comment removed by Slingb, no longer relevant Slingb (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A password is not considered to be private when it is known to a large group of people and this password is merely a marketing ploy. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slingb's comment removed by Slingb, no longer relevant Slingb (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the password were only given out to genuine magicians then it would be private but the password has been chosen so any of the hundreds of thousands/millions of magicians should be able to work it out so it's not private. The air of secrecy, and its supposed availability only to magicians is a common marketing ploy. Restricting an item to a certain group, making it harder to obtain makes an item more desirable and that's what's being done here. It's not really hidden on his site, it's available from an easily accessible page. You just have to work out who he's talking about. Since it's supposedly only available to mahgicians, it's a good guess that the name has something to do with a magician named Eugene. Do a google search and the password is yours.[2] This is really a non-issue. --AussieLegend (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can we remove this convo? I've emailed the site admins and they say they are dealing with it. Slingb (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Password to magicians only area on public wiki page - request for removal ==
+Slingb's comment removed by Slingb, no longer relevant [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
-Can the password for the magicians only area be removed from the wiki page? It's there to stop the general public accessing the area. The area is for magicians only, who will know the answer to the password. Providing the password to the general public provides non magicians access to an area they shouldn't be accessing.
-The webpage that has been directly linked to is also only available on Derren's site via a button saying "magicians only" which is bypassed by offering the direct link.
-I'm new to wiki, so do not know all the policies, but surely providing passwords on an article is breaking some kind of privacy policies?
-Grateful for some help and direction on this one. [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 19:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 :As I indicated in my last edit summary, and on your talkpage, [[WP:NOTCENSORED|Wikipedia is not censored]]. Since the page is publicly available to any magician, and there are no restrictions on who may be a magician, I don't see any reason for removing the content. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 19:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
+::Slingb's comment removed by Slingb, no longer relevant [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
-::A password is private, and only known to those who should be accessing the area. Therefore there is no need to be providing it in an article. The only people it is being provided to are the ones who should not be accessing the area. The ones who can access the area (magicians) should already know the answer. There are no restrictions on who can be a magician, the question is designed to test whether the user entering is a magician of significant level. Providing the answer on a page fails the whole process? [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 19:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
-:: As wiki's own articles on passwords states: "The password should be kept secret from those not allowed access." So unless Wiki can state that all its readers are magicians, then it should be removed [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 19:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 :::A password is not considered to be private when it is known to a large group of people and this password is merely a marketing ploy. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 19:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
+::::Slingb's comment removed by Slingb, no longer relevant [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
-::::A password is always considered private, that's the very point of it existing. If it were a marketing ploy then the item would be shouted about on his official site, http://derrenbrown.co.uk/dbstore/derren-brown-merchandise/ The wiki article even states that its been moved on his site to be hidden further from the general public, which also indicates that it's only to be accessed by the correct people [[User:Slingb|Slingb]] ([[User talk:Slingb|talk]]) 20:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC).
 :::::If the password were only given out to genuine magicians then it would be private but the password has been chosen so any of the hundreds of thousands/millions of magicians should be able to work it out so it's not private. The air of secrecy, and its supposed availability only to magicians is a common marketing ploy. Restricting an item to a certain group, making it harder to obtain makes an item more desirable and that's what's being done here. It's not really hidden on his site, it's available from an easily accessible page. You just have to work out who he's talking about. Since it's supposedly only available to mahgicians, it's a good guess that the name has something to do with a magician named Eugene. Do a google search and the password is yours.[http://www.google.com.au/search?q=magician+eugene] This is really a non-issue. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 20:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)