Talk:Giorgi Latso

A note

I intend to improve my article by fixing a problems. I am aware that this article was previously nominated for a speedy deletion. Therefore, I have created a new shorter version of Bio, spending an hours in researching reliable sources such as references etc. I personally don't see anything promoting in a bio sections (however if there are I am willing to remove or rewrite it). I am trying to create an encyclopedic version, not an advertisement. I would rather get some motivation than get my very first article deleted. I understand Wikipedia is discovery by millions of editors and volunteers like me. I spend time and energy in this, I am asking you to volunteer and help me in creating a substantial article, by editing, polishing, rewriting sentences. I am an amateur musician, and my next articles are going to be also about some artists. I will do my best to improve my article in order to become encyclopedic. Thanks! Sausa11 (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

G11

Did my best to deflower the thing. I think a list of wards is de rigueur for this sort of creative professional and left those alone. Will leave it to another to determine status. Dlohcierekim 18:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Not g11

I think the article is getting better. Much encyclopedic, good references. No need to be deleted! Rexmusic (talk) 19:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I guess it was just easier to retag than trim. Dlohcierekim 21:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Why I think this is spam

All the hallmarks of spamming with a commercial intent are there:

• Extensive media, including much stuff which I have never seen with such IP rights (e.g. publicity shots, CD cover art, entire passages of live concerts) posted to commons
• Apparent high level of editorial interest in this relatively obscure artist to have articles created across the various language wikipedias all at around November 2009 may suggest a concerted PR onslaught by friends and supporters of the artist notwithstanding differences in quality and sourcing issues.
• the article seems to attract only the attention of single purpose accounts to work on this article
• very obvious promotional tone of the piece, including an entire section about his being "an educator". Many artists give classes, and there is no proper definition as to what constitutes a "masterclass". --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 07:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, I have now reviewed some of the sources herein, and am now satisfied that notability is established. However, I would still take issue with the last citation, which is clearly a bio written by Latsabidze himself, and could be excluded on grounds of it being a source lacking in independence. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 15:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you Ohconfucius! Regards!Sausa11 (talk) 18:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Please don't call this article Spam. Thank you Ohconfucius!

Here the answers to you points which unfortunately contradicts yours:

• As I said earlier, I am a new user in wikipedia and this is my very first article. I have never created the article before and I would very much appreciate if you would not call my article spam any more just simply because I am spending significant amount of time in this. There are some CD cover art and photographs of this pianist on wikimedia commons, bt this surely doesn't have to do with a quality of my article and different users who are contributing their time in improving and polishing in order to become it encyclopedic. I understand and have respect what you saying, but I also want to remind you that there are others too(wikipedia editors, and administrators)who think that my article is fine and they doen't call it spam. As you see I have removed all Media section as well as entire passages of live concerts . I am interested in creating an substantial encyclopedic article, not a spam as you call it. I intended to create articles about other musicians too. I would kindly ask you to respect my work - I would be very thankful!
• I think this artist deserves to get little more respect than you think. I am not sure why you call him "obscure" but I would oppose your opinion. I think in classical music, certainly in piano field there are very few remarkable young pianists. I don't know if you are familiar with classical music, but I am and I know what I am dealing with. In this regard I also would ask you to be more respectful to artist if you could. Moreover, for your future reference I would like to point out that he is neither my son, nor my neighbor or friend. I chose to write about him because I just recently attended his concert, was inspired and thought I would create an article. What was before with music43lover is not really my business, I wrote on his wall that I would create a shorter version than he had.
• My article was created on December 2, 2010. Today is December 3rd. There are at list 4 different editors working on this what I see from the history page. Non of them belong to single purpose accounts. I have been communicating with them and they've been doing some edits. Anyone who sees this I am encouraging to refer to the history page here. This users are different, they surely DO NOT belong to single purpose accounts.
• I am fine with removing educator section if you insist. No one objected or mentioned that before. I don't see anything promotional here. In fact, many concert pianists are busy with their concert appearances, but they don't really teach to much. It's important to point out that this guy is spending significant time in judging competitions and doing some masterclasses. Not many active pianists do that because of the lack of time.
• As you see from my talk page, I have been communicating with at least 10 various users and asking them some help. I know I am new to this, but I guess everyone had this period of time in here. I am always open for any suggestions and advices. And again, If you see there any sentence or phrase suggesting "promotional tone" I will remove it, but certainly nominating my page for deletion was not very good choice.

Thanks for your time in reading this. Ragards! Sausa11 (talk) 16:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Artical removed from my workspace

I have removed the article from my workspace since it is no longer needed at that location. Music43lover (talk) 03:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)