Talk:Bundesliga

Structure of the Article

This article is horrible! I tried to start some improvements, based on the stucture of the articles on the Premier League and La Liga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.79.197.128 (talk) 21:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The whole thing is a faboulouse piece of patchwork showing its evolutionary origins, but not really the evolutionary origin of the the Bundesliga.

Where to begin the repair? Scrap it and start anew. Third Reich and GDR stuff, etc., is not really at home here. Give it its own pads.

As this is the Wikipedia, I suppose I have to do it all myself.

Any opinions out there?

Oalexander-En 17:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. There is some decent content here and the thing is readable.

What I think it does need (and I've felt this way for a while) is to be turned into a page more generally about the history of German football (where the material about the Third Reich and GDR would be more at home) with a separate page more tightly focused on the Bundesliga itself. It's got to be readable and approachable for all users, not just for extreme Bundesliga fanatics.

As to your suggestions that the whole thing be scraped, that's a little over the top. And it's not particularly noble to "have to do it all yourself". Wikipedia is by its nature collaborative and it would be helpful to recognize that. Wiggy! 18:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

The article still makes confused reading when it discusses German football championships and includes the East German ones (as people usually do in Germany but usually do not in English-speaking countries) without much explanation and continues with statistics of Bundesliga championships. The article is entitled Fußball-Bundesliga, and totals of German football championships which include the period of time before the Bundesliga need to be deleted from this article with a reference to the list of German football champions, which explains everything and lists all the champions. Coyets (talk) 15:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Fußball-Bundesliga

I do understand that it's desirable to not use the ß-character, but Fussball is simply wrong orthography. The title of the article should be Fußball-Bundesliga, and a redirect should be in place for those who use two s. Opinions, anyone? If you agree, feel free to move it back. Madcynic 19:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

No, it isn't "wrong orthography". Not in English. It is perfectly legitimate to use the English alphabet when writing in English, and furthermore, the ß is one almost never used in English writing. This is the English Wikipedia, not the Greman Wikipedia. Gene Nygaard (talk) 16:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, of course it's not wrong in English. But as this is a page on the German first flight association football league which happens to be called Fußball-Bundesliga, the ß is a necessary character. Besides, this is exactly how it is done with other articles having "undesirable" characters... --Madcynic (talk) 17:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

But ß is not a character used in the English language and is not on most English language keyboard layouts. Per naming conventions, article titles should be in English. Beeblbrox (talk) 21:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Following that argument, the article should be named Football Federal League. Lars T. (talk) 23:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Football Federal League is ridiculous. Nobody would even know what is meant by that. In my opinion Fußball-Bundesliga + redirects is good. Actually the only other way, not totally confusing people, is probably to have the Fußball-Bundesliga at Bundesliga and give a link at the top of the article to a disambiguation page. The rationale behind that being that when anybody on this world is talking about the Bundesliga they are probably more than 90% of the time talking about the German Fußball-Bundesliga. Call me an arrogant German football fan, but that's the way it is I guess. OdinFK (talk) 07:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

So ß ist not a character? What about ü, then? I´ve got both in my name. Anyone for showing some character? Right, try to pronounce it correctly. -- Best, SpVggLieth (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It is a question of respecting the English language. We don't use Chinese titles for articles, and we shouldn't use German titles either. Luwilt (talk) 16:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Goal Difference

what the article currently states may well have been correct when it was added, however it appears to have been changed :

• http://www.bundesliga.de/en/dfl/fragen/index.php

and click on "competition" 62.176.111.68 (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

English names for German football teams

More of a query than a suggestion, but just wondering if anyone can shed light on why teams aren't always listed by their German names whilst others clearly are when there might be a viable alternative, for example FC Bayern Munich or 1. FC Nuremberg, whilst 1. FC Köln is not 1. FC Cologne. -- Fips (talk) 14:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It has been an on going debate for some time, but generally not a real intense one. Some folks prefer to see the native name used and others insist (in accordance with Wikipedia's manual of style if I recall) that the most common or familiar English version of a team's name be used. There have been innumerable debates on it before and is not just limited to German football teams, but includes the teams of other nations, players names, etc., etc. It also generally only afflicts the larger/better known clubs/players and that accounts for some of the inconsistency. That and we haven't had a zealot from one camp or the other making his way around to "fix" things. My preference would be to use the teams real name (you know, call it what it is) with whatever English language redirects you need - but then that's just me. Wiggy! (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the feedback. It's only natural that the more common teams have adopted Anglophone names, but interesting that there isn't really any consensus on Wikipedia. And also great to know that there are jobs available for the overzealous! ;-) -- Fips (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming / Bundesliga

I propose, per WP:EN, that the bundesliga be renamed to just Bundesliga - nobody uses the convention Fussball-Bundesliga. Sandman888 (talk) 20:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. This article is currently titled not just in a foreign language, but in a foreign alphabet. You couldn't get a much clearer breach of policy. Luwilt (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Foreign players

Let's create a list of foreign players in the Bundesliga? so that many people can contribute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.24.194.133 (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, go ahead. It's a lot of tedious work, but that never stopped any serious Wikipedian. If you want to create an article you have to become a member of the project aka register, though. OdinFK (talk) 06:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

League coefficient

Little Change made.German Bundeliga is in the UEFA Ranking now 2nd not 3rd anymore.Follow the Wiki Link in the Article to the List. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.246.11.116 (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

You confused the national team coefficient (where Germany is ranked second) with the association coefficient ("league coefficient") (where Germany is ranked third). --Jaellee (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

POV tag

I have added a POV tag because this article has been named in a foreign language, and a foreign alphabet, breaching the English language policy. This suggests an attempt to impose a German-centric viewpoint on the English language Wikipedia. Luwilt (talk) 16:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)