User talk:Chevymontecarlo

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Thanks for responding to people at WP:FEED. It seems like an important activity to me. Do you think you've ever made the difference in keeping some people around, by nudging them over the learning curve so that they stick around? Thanks again. Jesanj (talk) 23:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think a lot of new contributors on Wikipedia join up, create a few articles and then never login back again, and it's hard to change that. Really though there are some many newcomers arriving all the time it doesn't really matter; people will decide whether they want to stay or not regardless. Chevymontecarlo 08:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Jesanj (talk) 15:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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Please be the mentor for the students working on National Telecommunications and Information Administration

Hi again, Ryan! I'm currently trying to assign mentors to all the remaining groups in Professor Obar's class. Would you be the mentor for the group of students working on National Telecommunications and Information Administration ? If you can do it, thanks! If not, please let me know.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'd be happy to do that. That's okay. Chevymontecarlo 06:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for review of User:Itkidontheblock/THBS

Hi Chevymontecarlo,

Thanks for the comments on my article. I've added some information from a news website on an event that was covered by the media. Will this do?

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itkidontheblock (talk • contribs) 10:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think that is a little better. The article, or 'stub' in it's present form as it's a bit shorter than the average article, could probably benefit from a infobox though. Chevymontecarlo 19:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips and help again! I've added an infobox as per your advise. Itkidontheblock (talk) 04:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Apologies for the bother Chevymontecarlo, I appear to be having some problems with the logo file for THBS. There are errors stating that the article does not exit. Can you please let me know how to correct the same. Thanks. Itkidontheblock (talk) 05:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, well I think it might be best to ask at the help desk for that, as I'm not really that experienced with images. Chevymontecarlo 06:40, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

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Pulsa article

• Hi Chevymontecarlo, This is wikihbridge who wrote the Pulsa article - I was writing a stub to get the topic out in the open where people with more information can fill it in. Did you check the reference material? Especially check the footnotes in it. In the art world showing at MOMA is a very big deal. The Yale golf course installation is included in many books on tech art.

I really don't know what to say about this rejection - check the current Wikipedia for Pulsa - which is "Pulsa refers to a system of pre-paid credit for handphones in Indonesia." This is important information in an encyclopedia and a group of three artists who showed at MOMA is not?

wikihbridge — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikihbridge (talk • contribs) 04:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't think the fact that it's a stub is an issue; it's more about the notability of the article's subject. Just because there are related articles on Wikipedia doesn't mean that the subject is notable - for that you need reliable sources. Chevymontecarlo 05:57, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Help Editing an Article?

Hi Chevymontecarlo-

I am contacting requesting your assistance reviewing/editing an article.

My first attempt was deleted, so I recreated the article per the feedback I received. I recreated the article in the user draft space, and have a request for assistance posted in two different areas of Wiki that have not been responded to, and the deleting editor has stopped responding as well. I was wondering if you or one of your fellow editors would mind taking a look at the article and offering your feedback? The article can be located at Insegment, and yes, I am affiliated with the company.

Thanks!

-Jordan

Firstly, don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages like this one with the four tildes (~~~~). This 'stamps' your username and the date, and just makes everything a bit neater and clearer to see what user said what. Thanks. As to the actual article, yes, I think the fact that you're affiliated with the company may cause conflict of interest issues; not sure if this has been raised before by another editor but it is certainly a problem that may be you're not in the best position to write an article about the company. It also has some tone and neutrality issues; in places it just sounds like an advertising brochure which may have something to do with the conflict of interest that you may have with the article's subject. Therefore I'm not surprised your first draft/attempt at the article was deleted to start with, as I don't really think it is suitable. Sorry. Chevymontecarlo 17:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for responding.

I totally understand the COI issue, but I also feel that the article meets the Wiki guidelines, presents the necessary references, and maintains a neutral tone. In other words, I feel that people are using COI as a reason to keep it out, rather than a lack of merit about the article.

I modeled our article after other marketing companies' Wiki pages. I have read and re-read our article, and don't see anything advertisey in it. I understand why COI is an issue, but it also seems like COI should be evident from the article, and not the other way around.

Put another way: supposing I had tried to deceive the system and just submitted this as WikiEditorGuy111 rather than being open and using my real name, what issues would you have with this article? What parts do you find to be off in tone and neutrality issues, or "just sound like an advertising brochure"?

I find it a little frustrating that everybody here is acting like every single article about a company wasn't either a) submitted by an affiliate of the company, or b) heavily edited by an affiliate of the company at some point.

But because I submitted under my real name rather than trying to slip under the radar, now people are referencing COI as the problem. All three editors that have offered feedback have reference COI as a problem, and then mentioned tone and neutrality issues, but when I ask what the tone/neutrality issues are, or what reads like an advertisement, nobody has a response (other than OrangeMike who chose to reference an article that was an attempted submission some time ago that I wasn't even aware of).

Could you please pick out a couple of lines from the article that you find "just sound like an advertising brochure," or you think have tone/neutrality issues?

Jordan.Gilbert (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi,

I completely agree with many of the points and issues that you raise with the various editors you have come into contact with and with Wikipedia's rules in general. You are concerned about the COI issues and don't think it's a problem; that's understandable but I think at the end of the day it is just my opinion with the article; you don't have to follow my suggestions or feedback; you can always go to another user or editor, ask on the help desk or WP:FEED or whatever and get more feedback or help. I understand that you are frustrated and I have to be honest, there are things about Wikipedia and it's articles that frustrate me; the fact that I think newbies find it too confusing and there are too many parts to Wikipedia for them to understand easily and get started is one of them. But at the end of the day all the editors you have asked for feedback from or asked questions to are just following the rules set up by someone else, or a different group of people or board members entirely.

As to your confusion over the tone and neutrality issues that you mention, I will try to explain it; articles are supposed to be neutral in tone and not sound like advertisements, and are supposed to be informational rather than like an advertisement or a promotional text. I think there are some tone and neutrality issues in the article because there are statements that are not suitably verified with a source. The references themselves I feel are either lacking or unreliable; they're supposed to be from third-parties unassociated with the article's subject. I can see you've made a great job with them so far, but I still think some additions or improvements could be made. Of course, you don't have to do this if you do not feel it is a problem yourself; you can always just move it into the main space and see what happens.

I hope that my earlier comments/feedback and attitudes to the article were not insulting or annoyed you, and that you will keep editing and working to help improve Wikipedia, even if it is not writing articles. Best of luck. If you feel that I have not answered everything please feel free to ask again, or even ask someone else. There are many other editors that you could go to, and sometimes I feel that I am not much of a help to users, and I try to point them elsewhere if that is the case. Chevymontecarlo 21:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot for the feedback. I am working on making the tone more neutral, and gathering more third-party sources to reference for our article. I will let you know once I get the new version uploaded to my userspace, and hopefully you won't mind taking another look. Once again, thanks for the feedback; much appreciated! Jordan.Gilbert (talk) 15:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, best of luck! Chevymontecarlo 06:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback

Hi Chevy,

Thank you for your feedback for Sheena Reyes on wikipedia. Are you able to take off the orphan tag on the top on the page please? I have added external references.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiactor1111 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done Chevymontecarlo 07:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Hi Chevymontecarlo, Thanks for reviewing Desire Caught by the Tail. I will work on your note about sources, which I think means creating web links for my references where available (and most are). Please let me know if I'm misinterpreting. Also, the Pablo Picasso article makes no mention of his playwriting, but that article is understandably protected. Do you have a suggestion on how that can be added? Thanks again.