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:*To the IP 86.176.199.51: There is no necessity for either IPs or for registered users to reveal their real name if they choose not to, and such a decision should not imply anything negative about their motives. People want anonymity for all sorts of reasons.
:*To the IP 86.176.199.51: There is no necessity for either IPs or for registered users to reveal their real name if they choose not to, and such a decision should not imply anything negative about their motives. People want anonymity for all sorts of reasons.
:*To User:DavidR: please [[WP:assume good faith|assume good faith]] about User:Yorkshirian's motives. I read no unpleasant tone, just a desire to add fully referenced material to the biography. [[Special:Contributions/86.159.39.99|86.159.39.99]] ([[User talk:86.159.39.99|talk]]) 16:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:*To User:DavidR: please [[WP:assume good faith|assume good faith]] about User:Yorkshirian's motives. I read no unpleasant tone, just a desire to add fully referenced material to the biography. [[Special:Contributions/86.159.39.99|86.159.39.99]] ([[User talk:86.159.39.99|talk]]) 16:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Why the proposal to delete? ==

This is a very well-known journalist, who has won one of the most distinshguished awards in her field. I'd suggest the notion of deleting this entry was vandalism[[User:David r from meth productions|David r from meth productions]] ([[User talk:David r from meth productions|talk]]) 23:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Attacks on the Pope

I'm not sure this is notable, but Gold has been strongly criticised for an attack she made against Pope Benedict XVI, with some commentators calling it yellow journalism and naked bigotry. [1][2][3] ADM (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish

A anon keeps trying to remove the fact that Gold is Jewish in the article, without giving a reason. This is despite the fact that in an article for The Guardian, Gold herself says "and I - a Jewish princess - am glad".[4] - Yorkshirian (talk) 09:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I am Tanya Gold and I am removing the reference to my being Jewish, which is continually being re-inserted by Yorkshirian (which is an anonymous name - why don't you use your real name?) I do this because I consider its insertion, straight after the anti-Catholic piece, as hostile and anti-Semitic - you were making a point, weren't you? If you will not put your name, Yorkshirian, why should I put my religion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.199.51 (talk) 15:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have stated in a Guardian article yourself that you are Jewish.[5] This is a biography and thus such biographical information, referenced at that, belongs in the article. It is neither pro-nor-anti to state the simple fact of your religion. No more than it is "anti-Presbytarian" to state Gordon Brown's religion on his article. - Yorkshirian (talk) 17:52, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it matter so much to you that "Jewish" is in there? You have no interest in adding any other biographical data, so why does this fact interest you so much? And please tell me your name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.199.51 (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is referenced, biographical information. The real question is why are you trying to remove it from the article? And please don't chat me up. Take a look at the articles on other journalists, for instance Damian Thompson, it mentionns that he is Catholic, or Giles Coren it mentions that he is Jewish. What is your rationale for removing a factual, referenced piece of information? - Yorkshirian (talk) 18:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yorkshirian, you added "Judaism", which you infer from the citation, which is not completely synonymous with describing someone as Jewish. You do not allow for the possibility that Tanya Gold is secular or atheist, which is her business unless she chooses to write about it. Philip Cross (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying its on an ethnic basis? Well the only source we have to go by is her writing about being a "Jewish princess" in the public domain. This seems to be quite a good reference. I've added a prose sentence, rather than in the religion section. - Yorkshirian (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I consider it a barely valid point, as it is only a passing reference and adds nothing further to the category at the foot of the article. I think the other user is right to query why you are making a fuss about this. Philip Cross (talk) 20:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Its a referenced piece of biographical information, sourced by the Guardian. Thats all we need to know here. I'm not making a fuss, I just added it, the now blocked user tried to make a fuss by blanking it (without presenting a rationale), then trying to blank the entire article. Passes WP:Verifiable easily. - Yorkshirian (talk) 20:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I am happy with that. Two small things - I am not a 'now blocked user', I am a person; also, please don't be anonymous - it creates an unpleasant atmosphere... Tanya Gold —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.199.51 (talk) 21:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Judging by the IP address, Gold is back and removing verifiable info again. - Yorkshirian (talk) 03:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is irrelevant that Gold is Jewish, and the unpleasant tone adopted by 'Yorshirean' - claiming rather pitifully that Gold is trying to chat him up, in response to a polite request to reveal his name - suggests to me he is motivated by soemthing rather ugly. Gold has been subject to a large amount of anti-Semitic abuse on the web, and Yorskshirean seems to be somebody who sees her and wants to insert the word "Jew." It is rather ugly, and I hope he is embarased by his behaviour. - DavidR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.253.159 (talk) 01:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • OK, some points here. To the IP 86.176.199.51 who claims to be Tanya Gold: if you are Tanya Gold, you should be aware of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography. Basically, when editing your own article, you should be aware of potential conflicts of interest and that you can't decide what goes in or stays out on the basis of what you want. User:Yorkshirian was right: if it's a correct, citable fact from a reliable source, then it can go in.
  • To the IP 86.176.199.51: There is no necessity for either IPs or for registered users to reveal their real name if they choose not to, and such a decision should not imply anything negative about their motives. People want anonymity for all sorts of reasons.
  • To User:DavidR: please assume good faith about User:Yorkshirian's motives. I read no unpleasant tone, just a desire to add fully referenced material to the biography. 86.159.39.99 (talk) 16:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why the proposal to delete?

This is a very well-known journalist, who has won one of the most distinshguished awards in her field. I'd suggest the notion of deleting this entry was vandalismDavid r from meth productions (talk) 23:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]