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::::All said and done, it's an extremely petty point to argue about. You are welcome to make whatever changes you deem suitable, and I won't pursue it any further.[[User:Ormewood|Ormewood]] ([[User talk:Ormewood|talk]]) 23:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
::::All said and done, it's an extremely petty point to argue about. You are welcome to make whatever changes you deem suitable, and I won't pursue it any further.[[User:Ormewood|Ormewood]] ([[User talk:Ormewood|talk]]) 23:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


:::::OK, I've deleted it. It adds nothing to the technical design and construction of the lifts and It looks like an unprovable point with certainty. [[User:DieSwartzPunkt|DieSwartzPunkt]] ([[User talk:DieSwartzPunkt|talk]]) 16:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::OK, I've deleted it. It adds nothing to the technical design and construction of the lifts and It looks like an unprovable point with certainty. [[User:DieSwartzPunkt|DieSwartzPunkt]] ([[User talk:DieSwartzPunkt|talk]]) 16:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)PAID TYI A MOD YN SILI NAWR MA ELLAWER O PETHAU YN ODD AMDANO T Y SPAZZZ

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Source

seems like someone just threw this in. No source personally i find it hard to believe unless it was spider man XD 'A Frenchman scaled the tower during the German occupation to hang the French flag.'

i agree this is not believable at all wasnt it used as a radio tower by nazis there for guarded no way someone could scale it without being seen lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.224.142 (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Replica

the Tokyo Tower is more or less a replica; mention in article ?

Bolted Together?

I visited the Eiffel Tower some years ago and recall that it was bolted together, not riveted. Anybody got any RS on this? Also, the color is beige, which looks black from a distance. Anybody know why beige was chosen as the color? Has the color of the tower ever been a different color? 64.169.154.63 (talk) 09:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

== It is rivited. Here is an excerpt from www.eiffer-tower.com:

First the pieces were assembled in the factory using bolts, later to be replaced one by one with thermally assembled rivets, which contracted during cooling thus ensuring a very tight fit. A team of four men was needed for each rivet assembled: one to heat it up, another to hold it in place, a third to shape the head and a fourth to beat it with a sledgehammer. Only a third of the 2,500,000 rivets used in the construction of the Tower were inserted directly on site.http://www.eiffel-tower.com/everything-about-the-tower/themed-files/69

==As for the paint, see ref 27 in main article.--Tvbanfield (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 82.19.122.251, 22 July 2011

http://www.eiffel-tower.com/exploring-the-eiffel-tower/the-restaurants Restaurant on 1st level is called 'le 58 tour eiffel' not 'Altitude 95'


82.19.122.251 (talk) 15:26, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SPAZZ YW PJILL. MK2 IS EIFFLE TOWER — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.57.251 (talk) 14:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Communications

There's a list of TV transmitter frequencies in this section that is now out of date since the end of analogue transmission and replacement with DVB-T transmitters. Many more channels are now carried but in multiplexes, and using less power. Either the table should be updated, or a link made to TDF (the transmission company) or the section deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deasington (talkcontribs) 12:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seats in the original elevators

The article states that:

"Contemporary engravings of the elevators cars show that the passengers were seated at this time but it is not clear whether this was conceptual. It would be unnecessary to seat passengers for a journey of a couple of minutes. "

Eiffel's own blueprints, published in book form in 1900, show seats in the ground to second level elevator cars. This website:

http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi320.htm

features an illustration which shows the pivoting plate mechanism originally employed to keep the seats level as the inclination of the cars changed during their travel.

I have never encountered an illustration of these elevators that did not show seats.

In my opinion it's clear that there WERE seats, and I'm removing the sentence that speculates that this may have been "conceptual".Ormewood (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am reverting your edit, because your illustration does not prove that the seats were ever installed. AFAIAA there are no photographs showing the seats in the lifts. Photographs exist of almost every other feature that made it into the final tower. Indeed the illustration even shows the operator in a different position to that which he actually occupied suggesting that that illustration is conceptual. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
From "Elevator Systems of the Eiffel Tower, 1899", Robert M. Vogel, FQ Books:
"The double car, traveling at 400 feet per minute, carried 40 persons, all seated because of the change of inclination."
This was a description of the Otis elevators. Vogel states that with the Roux lifts "about 100 people could be carried in the double-deck cabin, some standing".
Again, Eiffel's blueprints (not illustrations, blueprints) show seats. The blueprints were published in 1900 in book form. They included the structural and cosmetic alterations made to the tower for the 1900 exhibition. It seems unlikely that details such as changes in the specifications of the pumps and motors would be included, but that "conceptual" blueprints of the elevators from eleven years earlier would be left as they were.
I won't reinstate my revision because I don't indulge in edit wars, but I think you are mistaken. No, I haven't yet found a photograph of the interior of the elevators, but EVERY contemporary illustration from multiple sources that I've encountered shows seats.
Can you find a single illustration that shows an elevator without seats?Ormewood (talk) 21:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry to disapoint you but I don't have to. WP:BURDEN states that if you wish to claim that the lifts had seats, then it is you who needs to provide the required citation. This can be a photograph or documented report of the presence of seats. A drawing or sketch is not a good citation, because these do not prove that seats were actually installed. You are right in that there are several sketches and drawings showing seats, but there is little concurrence on the design and layout hence these do seem conceptual as claimed.
As the article states: it does seem rather pointless to install seats for a journey that is less than 2 minutes long. To seat passengers because of the change in inclination also seems unlikely, because the lift mechanism was designed to correct for the change in angle of the slanting track, the current lifts use essentially the same mechanism. Although the current lifts do take on an angle that varies from the horizontal, it is not more than a few degrees and causes little problem to today's passengers.
As far as Eiffel's published blueprints are concerned, it should be remembered that although Eiffel designed and built the tower itself, he did not design or build the lifts. Since the lift design was totally novel at the time, it is rather unlikely that the designers and installers would release detailed drawings of their products. Even in the 1890's and 1900's, companies were very protective of their internal secrets and would be reluctant to share too much detail even with a company not perceived as a direct competitor. It is worth noting that the two different designs of the original installations (or three if you include the Edoux lifts) were radically different and all three companies were competitors.
Although I didn't contribute this section of the article (apart from a few minor edits), I can confirm that it is fairly accurate. Although I am now a retired, I did spend time as a lift engineer - study of the Eiffel Tower lifts was a required part of the training as they are (apparently) unique. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:50, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On thinking further, I believe the parenthesised comment about the seats could be deleted without affecting the factual nature of the article. It is a bit of a throw away comment after all. What do you (or anyone) think? DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:57, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did cite Vogel, which is probably the most authoritative work on the subject. As to your point about the reluctance of competing companies to share details about their products, I would point out that the 1900 blueprints show all of the elevator mechanisms in great detail. (I highly recommend getting the reprint if you can...it's a magnificent book if you have any interest at all in the tower, especially from an engineering viewpoint. Vogel's book on the elevators can be downloaded free via Amazon if you have a Kindle, too.)
All said and done, it's an extremely petty point to argue about. You are welcome to make whatever changes you deem suitable, and I won't pursue it any further.Ormewood (talk) 23:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've deleted it. It adds nothing to the technical design and construction of the lifts and It looks like an unprovable point with certainty. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)PAID TYI A MOD YN SILI NAWR MA ELLAWER O PETHAU YN ODD AMDANO T Y SPAZZZ[reply]