Talk:Baba Vanga

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 04:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutral point of view

I am from Romania and I know from my own experience that Baba Vanga did only good things for the people who asked for help. Her power was to see the problems of the peoples who asked for help and to advice them on how to manage their missfortune and to continue their lifes. I asked her once to help me, in 1993 and she gave me the solution! He proved me that she saw the past and the future as well. She told me straight: your life must go on! Forget the problem you have now! She gived me a goal in my life and now me and my family are well due to her. I swear she never knew what was my problem before I met her but she could tell me about my troubles and, what it is more important, almost a miracle, she adviced me what is to be done in order to continue my life. I will be in Petrich on March 25,26 and I hope I will find her or her spirit again in/around Rupite. Good help me to be there and thank to Baba Vanga for what I have and I am now!

Why POV section? I just added Yuri Gorny's opinion about Gushterova, Gorny is quite respectant person and I think his opinion is worth reading too. I added a source too. If you think all facts desribed in the first sections are real then just add some reliable sources. For predictions, please include newspaper publications dated earlier than the events predicted.

Anyway, thanks for clearing pronunciation of Bulgarian "щ". I'll edit Russian version too. Abolen 10:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the POV tag was added because that section is written in a very "definite" tone. I believe it would be better to start it with, "Some claim that ..." to emphasize that these are just theories. Actually, the main section suffers from the same problem, only in the other direction. I think this makes the page very confusing to read, because the first section talks about her abilities as factual, while the "Criticism" section talks about the alternate theories as factual. The entire page needs to be made more consistent.

Furthermore, the first section should probably be broken up into subsections such as "History", "Claims", etc.

Anton Markov 06:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Gushterova's government service is a factual thing. I saw the price list with my own eyes when visiting Bulgaria in 1989, but it is not humble to put this fact into the article :) There also was a Bulgarian movie about Gushterova in which these facts were mentioned too, but I cannot find its title om IMDB.

When talking about cheating I specially mentioned that it's Yuri Gorny's opinion and added a source (his interview). The rest of the article is actually a brief translation of the interview. As for me, I think Gushterova was a charlatan, but it's just my (and Gorny's) opinion. For obvious reasons Gushterova's false predictions are consigned to oblivion. Gorny's experiment had shown that cheating did take place, but it's not possible to tell now how often.

As for the first section, it is translation of Natalia Baltzun's article from http://www.peoples.ru . There was a whole bunch of such articles in Soviet magazines of late 80's. It's a typical article that tells only about predictions that came true, neither describing false predictions, nor trying to conduct an experiment, collect statistics and so on. With lack of information, I do not know how to rewrite the article. Abolen 13:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not absolutely sure, but I think this is the film you looked for: Fenomenat (1977). Unfortunately, the info at IMDb in too scarce. --Cameltrader 09:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

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I am from Macedonia Strumica my mother useto do baba Vangas here and the storys i have herd from my mother it is very hard not to beleve i regret the fackt that i have never seen baba Vanga because my mother didnot whant to take me with here to see so i dident get scered i was a kid at the time. Every scar on my dads body,baba Vanga told him how and when it hapend and she has helped whith family thru problems.Wee had mony mising from are hows she wold not say hoo toke it but she said that he will regret it and that he will return it an that is what hapend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.139.158 (talk • contribs)

Prophecies

This article does not mention her prophecies on a distant future that turned out to be true, like a prophecy on Kursk submarine. Netrat_msk (talk) 20:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source, please add them. --Cameltrader (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

One widely acclaimed prophecy which was many times showed on russian television in special report about Vanga was about the Future of Europe. As mentioned in the report - Vanga proclaimed that "Europe will be empty of people by year 2014th" - this is very interesting considering the current economical crisis in Europe Union. At the same time she said that Russia will have very bright future with it's unlimited natural resources base and the new capital in old place - Saint Petersburg (Moscow is current capital). Westsomething (talk) 01:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Bulgarian?

Can we say with any certainty that she was ethnically Bulgarian? --Hegumen (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

What else could she be? --Laveol ^T 15:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I mean, what else besides any nonsense I feel you'll try to introduce. She self-identified as Bulgarian, was born as Bulgarian and was identified as such by every single source (besides the one I guess you'll cite and that for some reason come from a specific country in South-Eastern Europe). --Laveol ^T 15:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, calm down. I'd just like to see her "self-identification as Bulgarian" properly sourced. That's all. It's a controversial topic as you well know. --Hegumen (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what I meant - it is not controversial. It could be for some ultranationalist, irredentist and so on persons. Bulgarian means Bulgarian whatever those guys like to think. --Laveol ^T 15:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Btw as I look at it there are enough sources in the Sources section - do you need inline citations? Feel free to add them yourself :) --Laveol ^T 15:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

В отговор на въпроса дали България и Република Македония пак ще бъдат заедно, Ванга казва: „Там, дека е текло, пак ке тече“ и „Един народ — една държава“. Отношението си към Република Македония Ванга изразява в две изречения: „Македония е българска земя. Тя не е държава, а част от българската територия.“ [1][2] [3]Jingby (talk) 17:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Now, that's something worth mentioning :)) --Laveol ^T 17:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Good work, Jingby. --Hegumen (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Why did you write his username like that? Did you mean to tell him something? --Laveol ^T 15:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I just copied/pasted it like that, relax. --Hegumen (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

If you listen to Baba Vanga's predictions, you will hear that she speaks clear Macedonian dialect from the Strumica region. The same dialect is used today by the people who live in that region. The only fact that she is born there makes her nothing diffrent that any other Macedonian born in Strumica. She is Macedonian woman who got married and died in Bulgaria. Anyone who denies these facts also denies the ethnicity of all Macedonians, who define themselves by those criteria like language, ancestry, origin and it can't be realised like serious historian. Don't forget the fact that, I quote: Her speech was difficult to distinguish and she spoke a heavy dialect (recent TV recordings used subtitles for the Bulgarian audience). (closed quotation.) Her speech is easy understandable to all Macedonians without any necessity of subtitle! Having these facts in mind, we must carefully make articles on wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.29.238.210 (talk) 20:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

What you are saying is true. Vanga's ancestors were in fact closer to the ancestors of today's Strumitsa people, than the bulgarians living in Burgas, for example. But that means that The people of Strumitsa have bulgarian ancestors, even though they don't feel bulgarians now. For example, a person who was born and raised in Kosovo when it was part of Serbia was an ethnic albanian and his nationality was albanian, although he hasn't lived in Albania. But his grandchildren, or their grandchildren, will live in a country named Kosovo and won't feel albanian, their nationality will be kosovar. But by no means does this mean that their grandfather wasn't albanian. What are you saying, that if his grandchildren went to the USA and became american, this means that he was american also!? If anything, it means that they're albanians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atanas tsankov (talk • contribs) 17:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

List of alleged prophecies

I've removed again the list of alleged prophecies - this time it was sourced, but not only the source itself appears to be not reliable, the author admits that "the article, and all of the predictions you just saw here, were translated from a Russian Newspaper Article, therefore it’s impossible to find out whether this article is credible or simply a sensationalism driven hoax…" --Daggerstab (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

The gate at Sergii is in bulgaria. Meaning bulgaria will fail. Russia is now called union, that is correct, because the european union or europe is made from russia which is technically the start of civilization in europe. Russia is once again Russia. 4 heads of state die, meaning they it could be mistranslated to attempts, 2008 was a key year for assassination attempts made on heads-of-state. 1. Barak obama (unlikely carried out) 2. East Timor president and 3. prime minister (very close and IN INDONESIA) 4. Tony Blair attempt (not close). All these are presidents and prime ministers affiliated from or in the middle-east. This round can change drastically before another pole shift or 'tilt' so 5000 or 3000 as a periodic end seems correct (although 5000 would be impossible or a biblical exaggeration for the end of life because 5000 is around the corner in terms of earth's history). The Occult becoming a religion is credible because its so far the most accurate in terms of world history and earth surpassing even science in credibility. So far, all her predictions are coming to realization, Iran is obtaining nuclear arms, India has been in constant wars and has already started a chain reaction in sir lanka, so 2010 seems like a date I am looking out for. As for legitimacy, it could have been written after certain dates, there could have been a plethora of predictions not mentioned, everything could be a hoax.--66.81.42.146 (talk) 20:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Possible Hoax

I have never yet seen a location where her "Future Prophecies" were ever cited besides the internet. Are we 100% that she honestly made those predictions? I mean, some of them seem REALLY far fetched. "Humans will become robots." What? Source and we'll remove the hoax template. --LukeScalone (talk) 02:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm With you man, something fishy about this one, she lived to be 85 yet do we have her on video mentioning any of these predictions or are they all second hand from communist government run newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChesterTheWorm (talk • contribs) 00:34, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Topalov

Bulgarian chess master Topalov never became a world champion as claimed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.188.176.219 (talk) 08:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

He was world champion in 2005. And lost the title the following year. End of the story. --Laveol ^T 08:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)