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• ... that Hieronim Ossoliński, a 16th century Polish politician who helped to unite Poland and Lithuania also wanted to establish a protestant Church of Poland modeled after Henry VIII's Church of England?

Created/expanded by Volunteer Marek (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

• There is a problem with the hook because the article is structured incorrectly. The Union of Lublin appears in the WP:LEAD and nowhere else in the article. However, the LEAD is suppose to be a summary of more detailed content in the main body of the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Good point! I fixed it. Volunteer Marek  19:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

That fact is not really well cited. The citation comes much later in the paragraph and it does not say the citation is in a foreign language. The citation should clearly state the language (which I am guessing might be Polish).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The citation for the 2nd half of the hook uses the term "mooted the possibility of creating a National Church", which does not to me seem to support the fact claimed of "wanting to establish the Church of Poland"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:35, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Added a few more citations and indicated which ones were in Polish.

Also, I can't find now the linking of the Polish National Church to Henry of England. It's in some other source, but I'm away for Thanksgiving so I can't look it up in books I have at home. So I took that part out for now. So here's ALT1:

... that Hieronim Ossoliński, a 16th century protestant Polish politician who helped to unite Poland and Lithuania also wanted to establish a National Church of Poland?.

 Volunteer Marek  06:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

{{cite book}} actually has a "|language=" parameter. Use that instead of the other method you are using.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed that.

I still contest the 2nd half of this hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

On what basis? There's two sources there now. The second one says (skipping diacritics) "Utworzylo sie tez z czasem karne kolo poslow sejmowych ktorym przewodzili Hieronim Ossolinski i Rafal Leszczynski... Na pierwszym miejscu kladziono utworzenie kosciola narodowego."

Translation: "Overtime a faction of sejm delegates formed, who were led by Hieronim Ossolinski and Rafal Leszczynski ... the primary demand was the establishment of a national church". Volunteer Marek  22:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

It's the "modeled after Henry VIII's Church of England" part that's dubious due to no references. A bit ORish. Davies talks of a national church, I'd stick with that unless we have a better source. Also, I see no refs for "Church of Poland" term. Alt proposed below. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 00:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1... that Hieronim Ossoliński, a 16th century Polish politician who helped to unite Poland and Lithuania also wanted to establish a protestant national church?

That's fine. As I mentioned above, I have some source for comparison with England at home but I'm away for Thanksgiving break. Volunteer Marek  00:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I can't approve because the term mooted to me means something like obfuscated or rendered pointless. I won't contest someone else who wants to approve the hook. I would approve the hook without the national church stuff.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Moot, as defined by my dictionary (Google): "Raise (a question or topic) for discussion; suggest (an idea or possibility)." Seems that if you raise and suggest an idea, you want it to happen. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 03:56, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Could I get an update here?  Volunteer Marek  00:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

FOR FUCK'S SAKE I NOMINATED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO. Volunteer Marek  07:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Reviewed Der Handschuh (Waterhouse)