Talk:Peripheral

Peripheral device merge

I am wondering if this article should be merged with the article "Peripheral device". They seem to mean pretty much the same thing, but the Periphery disambiguation page states that a peripheral is not to be confused with a peripheral device without giving an explanation why. The redirect page for Computer peripheral links here.

Also, Peripheral device and peripheral have a different set of other language links. I linked the Dutch version (nl:randapparaat) to this article, but I did that before I discovered the peripheral device article so I'm wondering if I should have linked to the peripheral device article instead.

Yes, the two pages should be merged. There are three ways of thinking of peripherals, the "peripheral device" article, my way (the right way of course :), and the "peripheral" article. 1) "in the old days" The veiw of the computer hardware designer, anything but the CPU. 2) Anything that does not attach directly to the main system bus. The motherboard, and all the chips on the motherboard, and anything that plugs directly into a PCI slot are _not_ peripherals, although the CPU designer thinks of them that way. Disk drives, CD drives, DVD drives, keyboards, monitors, mice, and so forth _are_ peripherals. 3) Anything that you don't get with a cheapo computer purchased at Best Buy is a peripheral, what comes in the package you buy is not.

To my mind 3 is a pretty meaningless definition, even to today's casual computer user.

In the future there will be confusion as to whether network attached devices are peripherals, things like network attached disk drives that you can share throughout your home network.

The question to answer regards peripherials is "What does it plug into?" Peripheral to what? 1) says it plugs into the CPU. It must be very close to the CPU. It gets power from the same wires the CPU does. 2) says it plugs into the motherboard (or backplane etc.) or an attached circut board. It must be pretty close to the CPU, attached to a single run of cable, perhaps with power boosters to extend the cable range. (Think USB hubs.) Power comes from different wires than that which powers the CPU. (Maybe not always, but I bet in a good design the keyboard and mouse don't share power with the CPU so that when you drop your mouse in the coffee you don't fry your whole computer.) 3) says nothing. And then there's network attached devices, another sort of peripheral. These may be anywhere on the planet or off it, and traffic to them may be routed, that is travel via multiple paths. The routing is the distinction between things like USB peripherals, bluetooth devices, or even (to my knowledge) fiber channel attached devices, and network peripherals. (There might be an intermediate catagory of storage area network devices in there somewhere, but these seem to me like a long complicated scsi bus -- without (usually) the simultainous sharing and certainly without the routing that you can have in network attached storage.) --kop 20:11, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

So, there's peripherals that plug into the cpu, peripherals that plug into buses and connectors other than the main CPU bus, and peripherals that plug into the network.

I don't want to lump the main system bus in with other buses, not because other buses (like USB) are external to the case, but because things that plug into the main system bus are effectivly plugged into the CPU. That's the point. They are peripherals in sense 1 -- things that plug into the CPU. (Keyboards and mice BTW, and for that matter things like IDE drives, may plug directly into the motherboard but there's mediating electronics between them and the CPU.) --kop 20:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Renaming

Peripheral (this article) should be renamed to Computer peripheral. Also, I have proposed to rename Category: Computer device to Category: Computer peripherals (see Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_December_19#Category:Computer_device_to_Category:Computer_peripherals). Mirror Vax 19:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually I suggests not Cateogrized it or renaming it. The name you give for renaming is incorrect for IT terms. Also peripherials is one of the most commmonly confused term in PC terms, so I guess it should be Computer Device or put it like so: [[Category: Computer Device [Peripherials]]] 23:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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I propose on deleting the "Peripherial Device," because that articles is almost exactly same as Perpherial in terms of content. The only thing that can be added is possibly the specifications of internal peripherial & external peripherial specifications and portfolio such as ATAPI.

I really doubt, NAS, SAS & Fiber Channel would ever be confused with peripherial, they are only an interface or most technically an architectural system interface for a server. Generally speaking most enterprise buisness consdier them as "Architectural options for SANs."

I don't think you should put the part that you said about "What does it plug into it," because strictly speaking all internal components of motherboard that is irreplaceable by technology uses power from their own internace (CPU, RAM, Graphic Card would almost 98% be limited to their design, no matter how powerful technology is, the only thing you can change is their Gate arrays and nanoarchitectural design for better transfering speeds and the nanotechnology, but no matter what CPU is still limited to the various amount of PLD packaginig avaliable).

While Components that is possibly replaceable by technology, uses power from PSU, such as Hard Drive, because HDD can have multiple interface options, so it wouldn't be too much hassle to reconfigure BIOS all the time, just for power.

PCI Express Graphic Card connnector is an exception and you can't argue about that, because the inital design wasn't intended for easy installation, it was intended for enthusiast.

Transfering power for external I/O are considered more of personal options that is why they are design to plug onto the motherboard in most cases, while portable / mobile external I/O uses port for easier transportation.

I know a lot of you guys might argue that Graphic Card, isn't an essential components, but actually it is consider to be added as one of essential components, since the current CPU-can't be regarded as a true-CPU, because it can't handle a lot of process inefficiently, due to architecture design flaw (see bottom paragraph for summary). One of the reason, is that current CPU design can't handle management efficiently like jsp, cfml applicatons and other object-related operations very well. This research actually lead to a serious of discovery on Microsoft window OS, because much of the Windows OS enviroments is design for Intel. A simple example, is the design flaw in RAM memory protected mode, that causes Buffer Overflow. (If you want to know more, go edit my User Page for questions) see CPU dicussion on CPU Architecture for details and you'll understand why.

CPU in brief In short CPU, the central = management, however, the design today are efficient (because, when you are doing things like abstraction you get 80% ALU, 15%NPU & 5% FPU) usgage, unbalancing management and causes unncessary overheating up to 40~50 degree Celsius is definately not "management" as describe in CPU expectation. Another flaw is CPU rescheduling, since components are already almost at full you can't rescheudle anything, because the more you add the probability of crashing increases. Thus the only true-CPU is MAJC, because the entire components can process anything, thus rescheduling wouldn't be a problem, because each transitor is only using partial usage (also their process in being evenly balanced across each transistor, thus it won't cause overheating and achieveing management).

The reason why MAJC isn't recognized as true-CPU yet, because processors are usually very dependant on chipset technologies stability, but Sun Microsystems (designer of MAJC) hasn't come up that technology. You can see that processor is very dependant on technologies, because Intel Dual Core + Chipset (has a lot of technology, such as speedstep, flex memory access..etc.) While AMD Athlon Dual Core has almost nothing.

Note: the scale / dimension of the components, mostly affect the heat being produced, usually doesn' affect speed, because small volume = larger surface area, but CPU doesn't uses surface area, since they aren't life therefore they don't require to interact any other components, other than the components that they are intended for(in this case is the DDR2, HyperTransport and FSB). --Ramu50 (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Monitors?

I would like to draw the attention that the definition disagrees with the webopedia definition. Monitors are peripherals. Computers are able to function without the need of a monitor even though u would not be able to view the output :-) ! Maltesedog 12:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

CD/DVD/etc...

Aren't CDs and such storage not peripherals, but rather the individual CD DRIVE? technically aren't the CDs and DVDs used IN/WITH the peripheral? --FranzSS 03:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

what are you talking about. no idea  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.41.204.4 (talk) 12:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC) 

Reverts

First I reverts a lot of the edits which are totally incorrect. First Hard Drives isn't a Peripheral, peripherals are referring to add on computer device. (I am still trying to figure out if SSD is a peripheral or not).

You guys should understand the history, before removing a lot of correctly written information.

The term itself was being used when multimedia technologies are still in development stage. On that note, Computer Peripheral generally refers to business, multimedia and later in 1990s / 2000 personal -related devices. If I remember correctly, in around 2001, they are some enthusiasts who started emulating Game Consoles, and emulating anything that is Hardware is expanding a computer capabilities therefore it is a computer peripherals. So you shouldn't remove that. Take note that Peripherals also includes any Hardware-related Virtualization.

The only Hardware-related Virtualization that isn't peripherals is probably VLANs. Put it in See Also only for now, because currently they are a lot of controversy in regards of whether Virtualization should be considered as a computing, a technology or it is just another generation that expands from mainframe system.

Take note of the following

• Software are not Peripherals, since they are purpose-based.
• I link the Iomega Zip drive, that is not an advertisement nor spamming. It is because they aren't an article for the mini-Zip Drives storage era. You guys should recognize them, since they are defined in the ARMD-HDD.

--75.154.186.241 (talk) 09:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

You can't invent a controversy about the subject that doesn't exist. The term peripheral is well understood in computer hardware and does include disk drives. Hard Drives are an add-on, they sit on top of the core functionality that is considered to be architecturally neccessary (Processor/Memory/Chipset triad) and the majority of computing devices (Including hand held devices, Thin Clients, Clusters etc) do not include hard drives, especially not one that serves the primary function of booting the system. SSD is a technology, not a device, there is nothing for you to "figure out".

I understand the history, the term has never changed, and non-physical devices are still not physical devices which is what this article is about. There is no controversy, and any dissent on the topic is purely populist, naive and novelty reactionism to what is considered "new" to people only just entering the market.

Software is not a peripheral no... Software is not anything related to devices, since they are not a physical device which is what a peripheral is.... - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 14:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I somewhat still disagree on HDD, Flash, SSD are peripherals, since all computers need one or the either, we should clarify they are only peripherals when as a standalone add-on or external devices. We should probably consider using the term "Integrated Peripherals" since some source seem to use it.

Much of the peripherals new meaning I think generally lacks the IT attention and lack of contribution, but the terminology is being used in still used in the Hardware Virtualization fields. Look at the patents, it is not WP:OR, though the article controversy section does need some assistance.

The accessories section was just a rewrite, since it was already there on the article and we should included, since they are a lot of acessories article that pertains only to specific topics like Xbox 360, GameBoys, yet they are the same thing under the scope of Computer Peripherals. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 06:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Flash and SSD are technologies, not devices... still. No computer needs any of them. We have no right to enforce our opinion, I have always wanted to use peripheral in a sense to mean external only, with accesories being excessive, or auxillary. However, that is not the definition, and considering how few sources there are already, moving away from the facts presented by the sole reliable one (PC Guide), we cannot just make anything up. I have no problem with information being added about the sub-cateogry of Integrated Peripherals that appear within the primary housing of the system.

Again, the second term used, includes peripherals, but does not change the meaning of the original term peripherals. I also have serious issues of your reading of that patent, which does not discuss "Virtual Peripherals" but "Virtualising Peripherals", that is the virtualisation of physical devices. Notice that all devices virtualised in example, are physical, and that there is no inherent Verifiability in the text of a Patent.

Then, improve that article (Computer Accesories) and perhaps add a "Main Topic" section on this one, however, there is no need to repeat the concept. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 12:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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Off Topic

(not meant to be a serious talk page content, just side-notes for referencing)

• Be Alert there might be a controversy on all media-related devices are peripherals, but not necessarily Computer Peripheral, because they are sort of a "viewing device" and generally speaking they are Computer Dependant. (e.g. upgrading, modding, a lot of them require downloading contents from the internet to removable media, then transfer the installation process to the Devices.
  • When I say media-related devices, I refer to Consoles Games, Handheld consoles....etc.

Networking Devices somewhat controversial, I think standalone networking devices are peripherals. However, if they are built collectively to build an infrastructure they probably belongs to others type of Computing. "SOHO Home Networking", "Multimedia Home Networking" or other networking infrastructures. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 09:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Stop inventing controversy. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 14:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I am looking for feedback on my new post for the MoGo mouse. User: Ericrh123. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericrh123 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Shoddy article

This article is very poorly written indeed. It reads as though it has been written by a non-native speaker or a semi-literate native speaker. It feels like a rough draft transposed directly from a few vague pencil jottings scribbled on the side of a matchbox over after-dinner drinks. Come on folks, this may not be a properly published encyclopaedia, but surely writers here should be endeavouring to establish and maintain some degree of competence in their compositions?