Talk:Sayeeda Warsi, Baroness Warsi

This article was nominated for deletion on 15/2/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Failed to declare rental income from London flat correctly

According to a BBC article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18223324), it has emerged Warsi failed to declare the income for around 15 months, from January 2011 until May 2012. ConservativeParty sources have not revealed the full amount she earned, but they say it is over the £5,000 annual limit before full disclosure is required. I feel mention should be included in the main article. 212.139.97.155 (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)twl212.139.97.155 (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Calling Len McClusky Selfish !!!

BWarsii was on BBC television this morning, stating the Olympics were 'on budget' (we'll see afterwards) and castigating Len McClusky for suggesting there might be industrial action during the games. She rather oddly described legal strike action 'civil disobedience' - I do wish someone in the Conservative Party would give her a few lessons in law.212.139.108.5 (talk) 10:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)drlofthouse212.139.108.5 (talk) 10:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Social Cohesion Policies - Cock Up for the Baroness Warsi?

Does she have any? Hanging together like a leper in a windtunnel with her at the helm.212.139.110.48 (talk) 00:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)christopherhitchens212.139.110.48 (talk) 00:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Which Mosque Does Baroness Warsi Attend?

I have seen this lady described and describing herself as a 'Muslim', yet do not see any evidence of her being one. Could we add a section on the religious requirements (if any) of a 'Muslim woman' to this article. Baroness Warsi repeatedly speaks on behalf of what she refers to as 'British Muslims' and 'British Asians' (ugh, hate the discrimination in both of those terms), yet appears to be absolutely unelected or mandated to do so. A Muslim woman has obligations to follow the laws and regulations pertaining to prayer, fasting, charity, pilgrimage, doing good deeds, etc., albeit with minor differences having mainly to do with female physiology - where does she pray? Is there a separate area in the Commons or Lords for male and female prayers? If so, has she ever used it? Does Baroness Uddin go there too? 79.70.236.165 (talk) 00:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)tamiflew00:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Homophobe and/or Hypocrite??

Seems odd that she 'embraced' homosexuals in her speech at the Conservative Party Conference today. In 2005, Baronnes Warsi distributed leaflets to Muslim areas, as part of her election campaign, in which she sought to exploit religious conservatism in regard to homosexuality. She accused the Labour Party of reducing "the age of consent for homosexuality from 18 to 16 allowing school children to be propositioned for homosexual relationships" and promised to "campaign strongly for an end to[…] the promotion of homosexuality that undermines family life." <http://www.hudson-ny.org/2087/british-muslims-fear-homosexuality> After failing to get herself elected, Warsi appeared to recant: but used the same leaflet in subsequent 2005 council elections <http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-4917.html>. Whilst these leaflets were aimed at the Muslim voters in the constituency, other campaign literature, targeted at white areas, had a strong anti-immigration theme - in view of the brief given to her by the Conservative Party, does anyone know whether this level of 'flexibility' in her stance on sectors of the population has led to calls from within the Party to remove her from Ministerial Office? 212.139.97.86 (talk) 21:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)twl212.139.97.86 (talk) 21:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Just political campaigning, nothing wrong with that. She was doing her job as politician. It is what politicians do. They go out and canvass in order to gain voters' votes. SEMTEX85 (talk) 11:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I DISAGREE SEMTEX85 - her leaflets constituted 'hate speech' - and she should have been charged with inciting hatred,. However, someone pulled strings at head office and she got let off! What you are saying by dismissing this as 'only doing her job as a politician' is justifying Nick Griffin and the BNP going out canvassing and uttering racist hate speech. How stupid and hypocritical is that?80.42.224.179 (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)twl80.42.224.179 (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Her 'respect for all religions/defence of christian practices'?

Does anyone have a link to her 'lines in the sand' on respecting the rights of 'religious groups' to have an input to Government policy in the UK? She said this included a right for everyone to carry out their religious practices, yet she says she abhors female circumcision. But supports Jewish male circumcision. Her rules of thumb therefore appear to be ad hoc (apart from denying atheists any protection from discrimination of course), and she appears to be the sole arbiter of what constitutes a religious practice. Does she , for example , support the right to self flagellate on Muharram (see <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjYcuphQvxM&feature=related>), or even the right to physically crucify yourself in the street, as practiced by Christian Filippinos at Easter (see: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHbKn0xvtY&feature=related>)? Does she feel Peter Sutcliffe (the Yorkshire Ripper) should be released from life imprisonment - he is clearly being judged as 'schizophrenic' because he admitted to hearing voices from God when working as a gravedigger, which told him to carry out Biblical commands to kill prostitutes - implying by her criteria, that he was merely expressing the tenets of his religion. Where does she stand on slaughtering animals in the street, as practiced in Palestine and some parts of Israel? Seems there is no written government policy, which is worrying, as it leaves everything to the personal pecadillos of one person - i.e. her - which 'isn't cricket' as we say in the UK (though may be in Pakistan , judging by current level of corruption in the game over there). Its silly not to challenge her on this as it affects everyone in the UK who is happy to worship in a place of worship, whatever their religion.80.42.224.179 (talk) 02:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)icur2ys4me02:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Warsi certainly has a problem with homosexuality - there is a need for a new section on the omission of school curriculum content from the Equality Act <http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/feb/18/anti-gay-book-gove-row>. The education secretary is at the centre of an escalating row over how faith schools discuss homosexuality in sex education classes. The TUC has accused Gove of failing in his legal duties by insisting that equality laws, which prohibit discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, do not extend to the school curriculum. A booklet containing "homophobic material" had been distributed by a US preacher after talks to pupils at Roman Catholic schools across Warsi's constituency region in 2010. The booklet, "Pure Manhood: How to become the man God wants you to be", discusses a boy dealing with "homosexual attractions" which it suggested may "stem from an unhealthy relationship with his father, an inability to relate to other guys, or even sexual abuse". The booklet, which claims that "scientifically speaking, safe sex is a joke", explains that "the homosexual act is disordered, much like contraceptive sex between heterosexuals. Both acts are directed against God's natural purpose for sex – babies and bonding." Warsi defends this. Seems that even when Warsi uses her mandate from God , the Conservatives in the Lords still cock everything up! 80.42.270.219 (talk) 16:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC) 80.42.230.249 (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)C. Hitchens 80.42.230.249 (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Defence Police Cuts in the wake of Tottenham Riots on Newsnight

On Newsnight (10/08/2011), this MP defended the intended cuts to Police budgets. In her constituency, however, she appears to have promised she would support an increase in spending. Does anyone have links to articles from local newspapersthat prove this is the case? Also, is it true that she has deliberately chosen to wear outfits in red,white and blue, to enhance her status as a 'True Brit', rather than just an aquiescent, self-serving 'minister without portfolio', who is used by the Tory party to give the impression her community is adequately represented in government, and toes the line instead of standing up for the electorate in her constituency?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.212.80 (talk) 22:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Stole another woman's husband and left her penniless

What is the name of this lady? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.212.80 (talk) 22:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Copy and Paste from Website

The Early Years section of this page is a straight copy-and-paste from http://www.sayeedawarsi.com/biography/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.237.93 (talk) 10:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Why Was She Made a Baroness?

It is fair to ask, as her award does not appear to have been based on an extensive track record in any of the more usual pursuits - was it perhaps for her services to semi-literate and downtrodden women in Pakistan, who are often left penniless when deserted by husbands who run off with adulterous baggages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.83.22 (talk) 16:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I have cut these comments

"and serves the purpose of David Camerons token Muslim woman member of his cabinet. Since then, she has been promoted well beyond her skills to the post of Conservative Party Chairman. Talents she possesses includes cutting down audience members on topical discussion programmes such as Question Time, answering totally different questions to the one put to her in order to deflect the interview when being interviewed by journalists and a surprising sense of fashion, sporting the hugely popular "pelted egg on clothing" look previously accomplished by former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott"

as they are unsourced opinions written in a style not suitable for a encyclopedia. Although the debate over Baroness Warsi's suitability for her high-profile role is a reasonable one it needs to be properly sourced and acknowledged as opinion. There needs to be acknowledgment of the counter-argument that David Cameron made her a Baroness to increase diversity in the Conservative party, which he found was difficult to do, quickly enough, through democratic procedures.(MrBounderbywasright (talk) 17:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC))

Why is she a baroness? Nobody has answered. Next time she is on Question Time can someone ask her. Brakn (talk) 08:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

It is pretty clear she is only a Baroness because the UK was ultra PC and was striving to recruit 'minorities' into the noble ranks. Hence no one has a clue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.246.129 (talk) 13:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Vatican Slush Fund Offer to Conservative Party?

It has been suggested that the vatican has offered to lend the conservative party a great deal of money to pay their expenses, in exchange for a more prominent role for the party's catholics (IDS and Dorries): is this why Warsi headed a delegation to the Pope this week, and would this money show up on the party's accounts?

Pakistani origin?

She is indeed of pakistani origin but is she of solely pakistani extraction? She seemed to imply last night on question time that she was mixed race of part english heritage. Is this worth mentioning? I'll try to find a source 84.71.156.73 09:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

If she's said something about her origin that we can cite, that could go in the biography section, sure. --Delirium (talk) 20:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Who paid for the gold cube and koran she gave to the pope?

On her recent cohesion trip to the vatican, she presented the pope with a solid gold cube, containing 99 smaller cubes, each bearing one of the 99 names of the muslimanic god (whose name I won't mention so as not to offend anyone's religiousity). Is it true this was donated by her personally, and was an unwanted wedding present that had been under the sink for a few years? Or did we British taxpayers foot the bill? 212.139.106.204 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)AlMudhill212.139.106.204 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

religion

Somebody is changing her religion to "munafic" i.e. munafiq, which means a "hypocrite" in Arabic and a terrible thing to call a Muslim.

I'm changing it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.199.195 (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Misleading Career Details?

You say she trained with the CPS and Immigration Services - which gives the impression of a career track position with these agencies, compatible with someone seeking ministerial responsibility. Can anyone confirm these appointments at all? No dates appear to have been given anywhere on the internet, nor details. 79.75.212.80 (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2011 (UTC)honesty79.75.212.80 (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2011 (UTC) They were student attachments as part of a course, rather hyperinflated CV on her own website does not point this out either.

79.75.212.80 (talk) 22:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)muslim woman79.75.212.80 (talk) 22:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

If they were just student placements then this should be made clear RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 09:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Joint Chair

I have seen reports that she is the joint chair, what is the correct position? Off2riorob (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Co-chair with Feldman? http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/9063/warsi_&_feldman_become_co_chairmen_of_the_conservative_party.html Off2riorob (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC) Seems to be 'Co-Chairman' according to <http://www.conservatives.com/People/Peers/Warsi_Sayeeda.aspx> - which is a Conservative Party website biography written by her own people. 'Proudest Political Achievements' section makes her seem more of a lightweight than even her performance at the Conference today did, where she was unable to resist making a snide comment about working with her soon-to-be replacement as Party Chairman, Andrew Feldman, who has more management experience and far less strenuous family commitments, yet seems to have made significantly more input towards achieving the brief. 212.139.97.86 (talk) 21:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)twl212.139.97.86 (talk) 21:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Picture

Can we understand and add one of these other pics from other wikis? This one looks like a possible..File:Contact_Sayeeda.jpg or this one :Saeeda1.jpg or this one Sayeda_warsi.jpg Off2riorob (talk) 00:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Excessive coverage of personal not notable details

Content is being added that her second husband s ex wife did not know she was divorced, It seems to be cited to the femail article, it simply is excessive titillating coverage of a personal issue and nothing to do with her notability at all. Her new husbands wife wasn't sure if she was still married, excessive and not worthy of inclusion. Off2riorob (talk) 12:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

This is the content... Shortly after a dispute erupted, when Mussarat Bi, 34, Azam's first wife and mother of four, claimed she had been divorced without knowledge. Barnoness Warsi's side have dismissed the allegations in a statement made by Azam. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213111/Did-wife-know-divorced-husband-wed-Tory-Muslim.html

The ex wife of the person the subject married did not realize she was divorced, completely not notable tabloid twaddle and should clearly be removed as excessive not notable excessive personal tabloid titillating twaddle. Off2riorob (talk) 12:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

That is your opinion and you are free to have one. And bear in mind the same reasoning could be applied to most articles of notable people according to what we as individuals deem "tabloid titillating twaddle". Obviously I don't agree. This event, along with daughter's name and her marriage to her cousin is notable and has been covered in various media other than Daily Mail and she has even commented on it. More references can be supplied, if desired. So it is notable, balanced and reliably referenced and it serves little to keep removing this information. I also rephrased it from the original wording as it was not npov so it should stay. Just a part of her personal background. Fragma08 (talk) 06:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Its nothing to do with her, its to do with other people and is rubbish please do not re add it. Fell free to take it to the WP:BLPN to see what consensus there is , imo it is excessive personal detail and nothing to do with her notability, please don't replace it without consensus support.Off2riorob (talk) 20:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

But it does have something to do with her (see above ref). And the first wife apart, I really don't see why the name of her daughter and the mention of her cousin is removed. The details comply with WP:RS, neutrality, notability and the latter plays a role considering her political views on integration and arranged marriages. I don't see the problem with these details. Kindly don't remove again. Fragma08 (talk) 15:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Fragma - home and personal life formed part of the manifesto on which the party was elected. It is therefore relevant to know about divorces, as the actual burden of domestic duties facing someone holding a Ministerial Office, albeit as a part-timer. 212.139.97.86 (talk) 21:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)twl212.139.97.86 (talk) 21:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Views on homosexuality

I have removed the reference to Baronness Warsi's views on homosexuality from the Life peerage section since it does not belong there. The subject is taken up more competently in the following section. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 11:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

'Working class parents?' in Biography

This reads a bit like a political candidate biography. Is the 'working class parents' bit an attempt to curry favour? It would be rather odd, wouldn't it, if the daughter of Pakistani immigrants were 'to the manor born,' the offspring of landed gentry?--86.31.105.33 (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC) Don't agree - some migrants from Pakistan arrived here with a huge amount of personal wealth at their disposal 79.70.237.159 (talk) 20:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)twl79.70.237.159 (talk) 20:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

2005 election result

The author of parts of this page clearly does not understand what a swing is. It's the average of the fall in one party's vote and the rise in another's, so for example if the Labour vote falls 1% and the Tory vote rises 3% it's a 2% Labour to Tory swing.

The author says there was a swing to Labour against the Conservatives in Dewsbury when in fact there was a 4.2% swing from Labour to the Conservatives - well above the national average. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.120.250 (talk) 10:18, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Leftist Blog as a Source?

Really? Step to the Left, a blog'' is counted as a source. Very poor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.193.123 (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree, that ref fails WP:RS. I have replaced it with two stronger refs. Widefox (talk) 13:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)