Talk:John Lennon

John Lennon Phantom V

Hi! I live in Málaga (Spain) and I would like to say that John Lennon's car was bought some years ago by the motor museum and is still on display. You can find the museum at this location: Avenida Sor Teresa Prat, nº 15. Bye!

Han218

Double Fantasy was not well received by the Critics? Not True

Modification of this entry is necessary. I do not believe that the statement "Double Fantasy was not well received" is factually correct. The album was eagerly anticipated in general, in light of Lennon's 5-year hiatus from the music scene, and then met with instant success upon its release. This wiki article cites ONE critic only. The album received wide airplay immediately upon its release. The reservoir of critiques of the album untainted by John's murder may be small, as John was murdered so shortly after its release, however I believe a survey of reviews would show that the majority of evaluations of Double Fantasy were favorable. Melody Maker's "indulgent sterility" is the harshest thing I have ever read about the album. This Wikipedia article incorrectly makes it sound like this album was treated by the critics similarly to Some Time in New York City. It was not. Far from it. I urge someone to research this; it is factually incorrect to say critical reviews in general were unfavorable. It is fiction to say the album was not well-received. John was ecstatic, and congratulated Yoko on co-writing a #1 album -- which she modestly dismissed, though arguably her best songwriting to date was on that album, and even her songs were well-received -- Kiss Kiss Kiss received immediate AOR airplay. John would not have been ecstatic and the world would not have been so horribly shocked upon his murder if Lennon had released a stinker of an album. Check out the liner notes to the single release of Walking on Thin Ice (For John) to see Yoko's statements of John's ecstatic feelings, for one. The album was well-received, period. It outsold Melody Maker and their whiny review which now distorts this historical record of events. Balertwine (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The inital reviews were poor and mixed at best (John was boring, Yoko was interesting). They were withdrawn after the murder. While airplay was heavy, sales weren't. Hotcop2 (talk) 20:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 April 2012

John Lennon was bestowed, just like all the other beatles, an MBE-- this is not signified on his name, while he did return his metal to the queen, it was only symbolic, as the title under british law cannot be forfeited. It should read John Lennon, MBE Cambrooks (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

This is correct. Like his middle name change, he still is an MBE. Hotcop2 (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done, per the previous discussions. It was removed without consensus. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk)

Knighthood

He is MBE, so why does not he have the title "Sir" in front of his name? Sven Müller 78.51.207.254 (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Simple -- he's not a knight. He's a Member of the Order of the British Empire, but that's a completely different thing from knighthood. Accordingly, the title "Sir" is not affixed to his name. Evanh2008 (talk) (contribs) 22:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Legacy

Removed citation needed tag from first sentence in "Awards and sales" subsection. The statement that the "Lennon-McCartney songwriting partnership is regarded as one of the most influential and successful of the 20th Century" has no more need of a citation than a statement that the sky on planet Earth will be blue in color on a sunny, cloudless day.PJtP (talk) 04:13, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The color of the Earth's sky on a sunny day is a generally accepted fact, and considered common knowledge. The paragraph in question states: "As performer, writer or co-writer Lennon has had 25 number one singles on the US Hot 100 chart.", followed by, "His album sales in the US stand at 14 million units."

Both sentences are statements of fact, and appear to be properly sourced. The problematic statement (which was changed just today to be even more sweeping) is: "The Lennon–McCartney songwriting partnership is regarded as one of the most influential and successful of all time."

There are several problems with this statement: By whom is the partnership regarded as "one of the most ..."? It goes on to use the phrase, "of all time", which is pretty ambitious (because it's a pretty long period). We have to prove that assertion or reword/remove it. (Even the prior version, "of the 20th century", was pretty sweeping and would have to be sourced.) But don't take my word for it, see WP:RS, WP:NOR, and WP:WEASEL. A really good essay on the "sky is blue" issue is WP:CK.

And don't go shooting at me--I'm just the messenger (and a Beatles lover, too, sitting here listening to my box set I finally got to replace all my old, worn out vinyl and audiotape copies). Our mission, though, is to improve the encyclopedia, so it doesn't matter how much we love--or hate--an article's subject, we should treat them all the same.

Thanks! — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 04:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

The sentence in the article header "John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) was an English musician and singer-songwriter" should be changed to "John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) was an English musician, singer and songwriter.", because the hyphen in between singer and songwriter insinuates that he only sang the songs he wrote. --70.120.83.126 (talk) 22:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Our article defines singer-songwriters as "musicians who write, compose and sing their own musical material including lyrics and melodies." Since this isn't the only case with Lennon, I think your edit request is appropriate. Thanks!

 Done Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd agree with this. Hotcop2 (talk) 23:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Lennon "considered himself Irish"

Yoko Ono in Dublin today: http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/lennon-considered-himself-irish-3146236.html. Also, will somebody change the number of dead on Bloody Sunday from 13 to 14 people. See Bloody Sunday (1972). 109.77.151.160 (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, she said he sometimes considered himself 100% Irish, as she was getting an award in Ireland, so we'll chalk it up to a talking point in an acceptance speech. The 14 deaths is correct. Hotcop2 (talk) 22:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Death

I'm surprised there's not a section about his death.