Talk:João Gilberto

Who is Bebel's Mother?

on Astrude Gilberto's page Bebel is mentioned as her daughter. This page lists Miucha as her mother. Why the discrepancy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.225.102 (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

• Bebel's mother is Miucha (João's second wife and sister of Chico Buarque de Holanda). Source: Ruy Castro's "Chega de Saudade" book (ISBN 85-7164-137-4), of which I have a hard copy. I'll fix Astrud's page, thanks for pointing it out. Fbergo (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

• I couln't find any reference to Bebel on Astrud Gilberto's english wikipedia article. If this error is present somewhere, please point it out (or fix it on your own). Thanks. Fbergo (talk) 01:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

www.bossanovamusic.net

I don't know the problem you have with the link www.bossanovamusic.net. Yes it is a website made by me but if you had made the effort to navigate on it you'd had found a slideshow with audio about the Bossa Nova, made by myself, plant of photos of João Gilberto and about his career in the Bossa Nova movement, a siledeshow that exists only on my website and is very informative. I am musician, brazilian, I know what I'm talking about and I don't care about search engines!

• Sites like yours are considered link spam, since Wikipedia is a powerful traffic magnet, and are removed from articles quickly. Besides, your site is completely based on Flash, therefore is considered a "link to be avoided" as per Wikipedia:External_links, item 8 in the Links normally to be avoided section. Please do not add your site to the links sections of Wikipedia articles (they will be removed). Also, remember to sign your posts to talk pages, with four tildes. -- Fbergo 17:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Could someone please add the IPA pronunciation of his name? Chubbles 01:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

This would be helpful. Does anyone know how to add the pronunciation code?Komowkwa (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Carlos Lyra and Roberto Menescal

"Besides a number of Jobim compositions, the album featured older sambas and popular songs from the 1940s and '50s, all performed in Gilberto's distinctive style. This album was followed by two more in 1960 and 1961, by which time the singer featured new songs by a younger generation of performer/composers such as Carlos Lyra and Roberto Menescal."

The above is inaccurate in two respects. First, he only sang two of his own songs on his first album and one on his second album. They are important songs, but he is still plays more songs from other artists on each of his albums than he does his own. It would be more accurate to say he only sings a few of his own songs. And second, he does play the songs of C. Lyra on this first album.

  1. Chega de Saudade (Antonio Carlos Jobim - Vinícius de Moraes)
  2. Lobo Bobo (Carlos Lyra - Ronaldo Bôscoli)
  3. Brigas Nunca Mais (Antonio Carlos Jobim - Vinícius de Moraes)
  4. Hô-bá-lá-lá (João Gilberto)
  5. Saudade Fez um Samba (Carlos Lyra - Ronaldo Bôscoli)
  6. Maria Ninguém (Carlos Lyra)
  7. Desafinado (Antonio Carlos Jobim - Newton Mendonça)
  8. Rosa Morena (Dorival Caymmi)
  9. Morena Boca de Ouro (Ary Barroso)
 10. Bim Bom (João Gilberto)
 11. Aos Pés da Cruz (Marino Pinto)
 12. É Luxo Só (Ary Barroso - Luiz Peixoto)

(Songwriter credits from bossanovaguitar.com)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chega_de_Saudade_(album)"

As you see, he plays three songs by Carlos Lyra, three by Tom Jobim, Two of his own and two by the older composer Ary Barroso who wrote the famous song "Brazil". So whatever can be said of his second and third albums, can be said of his first.

Samba de uma nota só (Antonio Carlos Jobim - Newton Mendonça) Doralice (Antonio Almeida - Dorival Caymmi) Só em teus braços (Antonio Carlos Jobim) Trêvo de quatro folhas (M. Dixon - H. Woods - versão de Nilo Sergio) Se é tarde me perdôa (Carlos Lyra - Ronaldo Bôscoli) Um abraço no Bonfá (João Gilberto) Meditação (Antonio Carlos Jobim - Newton Mendonça) O pato (Jayme Silva - Neuza Teixeira) Corcovado (Antonio Carlos Jobim) Discussão (Antonio Carlos Jobim - Newton Mendonça) Amor certinho (Roberto Guimarães) Outra vez (Antonio Carlos Jobim)

On his second album, he recorded another song by Carlos Lyra, six more of Tom Jobim's, and an instrumental of his own. Where is Roberto Menescal? Of course he must have eventually recorded one of his classics (I am guessing he did record "O Barquinho")—O Barquinho is on his eponymous third album from 1961, possibly not after it had already become a classic then—, but is seems only after it became a classic and many others had recorded him first. Are they really particularly associated with each other?

Well, the above quote may be accurate concerning Roberto Menescal, but it implies that Carlos Lyra was featured only after his first album whereas he was prominently featured on his first album.

Stephen

Joao Gilberto and Showbras

Sorry but I have to put showbras yes, after 25 years were working, I'm not selling anything, just giving truthful information. The site provides information of showbras always been, that's where we find the best information, it is true. would be like trying to erase the history of the beatles the name of your business, why? Where? What crime? Call your review on the issue and how there are no lies or false interest I think is the correct entry.--Gil Lopes (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You may not promote your agency on Wikipedia. Period. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 23:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

It was not the idea but...no problem, i deleted this information. Thank you.--Gil Lopes (talk) 03:57, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Big text==About Joao Gilberto management by ShowBras==

"...Moulded into a professional act by manager Brian Epstein, their musical potential was enhanced by the creativity of producer George Martin. They gained popularity in the United Kingdom after their first single..." wikipedia-The Beatles Please check this, taken from the entry The Beatles. It is evident that the artwork in a contemporary setting has intermediation and management much importance and consideration. In the case of Joao Gilberto is no different because in 50-year career, 25 years were managed by ShowBras. So why we should not and can quote it in the encyclopedia entry. It is fair, legitimate, and is used naturally in other artists and conditions, as I remember above. I appreciate your review of the matter.--Gil Lopes (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

You may not promote your company on Wikipedia. The most you can do is bring this up on the article's talk page, identify yourself as being part of the company, and provide reliable sources for the information you want to include. Please read our conflict of interest policies to understand; it's not that we don't believe you, it's that every publicist in the world wants to use Wikipedia as a marketing platform, and it flies in the face of being a reliable, neutral source of information. (Is Mr. Gilberto ever going to be able to tour again? I was lucky enough to hear him in San Francisco a few years ago, and it was the best concert I've ever attended.) --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 15:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to know that you know and like Joao. I have no interest in promoting my business via Wiki, what was I meant to mention the fact of having worked with the artist for 25 years, it is also part of the story of his life and it is important to know that reference, as well as in the case of the Beatles that I gave as an example. The site is part of Showbras and brings the best information, including English, about Joao and so I think it is legitimate provided as a reference and not seen as an attempt at self promotion. It is 25 years, not days or months, who has to know the Showbras already know, but the encyclopedia should bring the information. It seems to me to see and before I cut the check request and relevance.--Gil Lopes (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

What we really need is independent press reports (or books, or magazine articles, not press releases, but independent stories) talking about the relationship between Joao and Showbras, just as there is a wealth of third-party information about George Martin's relationship with the Beatles. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 18:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

don't edit articles the way you have when your conflict of interest is this blatant)

There is not any conflict, i don't use what is not permited.--Gil Lopes (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Nice, you can have this on http://www.showbras.com.br/Artistas_e_Eventos.html, or http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=384865444858414&set=a.379967862014839.95783.100000048848934&type=3&theater ( with my photo and my wife- Veja Magazine) and all records made ​​by Joao in the last 25 years, there is production or production executive my name or the name of Showbras. It is well known. But note that I did it anyway to fix that you asked, I removed references to Showbras until you agree, so there's no reason to insist on cutting what was published, I make mention of Showbras (even though this is a folly, as I have tried to demonstrate).--Gil Lopes (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

You should take these to the article talk page. However, you won't get very far; those are not independent sources. We need third party sources, not promotional material from showbras.com.br. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 20:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

How can there not be a conflict of interest? As far as I can tell, you and Carmela are Showbras, and you are pushing hard to get information about showbras included in Wikipedia without support from third party sources. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 20:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, the indications I have are on site Showbras, it is legitimate. There are shown the discs, there are the posters and there is a portrayal of history. This is what I have, which disponhop and I'm ready to share. I hope that other contributions are added, but I see no reason to devalue mine. But I tried to just make these considerations direct to you on behalf of his analysis and I think no matter what I tried to remove the references to Showbras as you request. I have more to discuss, if you think you are not timely and cuts, I'd rather anticipate.--Gil Lopes (talk) 20:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

You must address this on the article talk page. I've also put up a notice about this on the conflict of interest noticeboard; perhaps someone could explain better than me. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 20:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, no there is not any references about me or Carmela, who made the management of Joao for 25 years. But there is not any mention, i take it off after your recommendation.--Gil Lopes (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

But i would like to see where is the support from third sources about Brian Epstein on The Beatles, could you help me?--Gil Lopes (talk) 20:42, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Easy. Follow the 375 citations at The Beatles. More precisely, follow the 150 citations at Brian Epstein. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 18:47, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Very nice but i'm alive and well, me and Joao, so if you clic on www.showbras.com.br you can see about us and it is legitimate as Epstein was in his time. --Gil Lopes (talk) 01:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure that's the case -- and we can only use that in Wikipedia if we have reliable third-party sources to draw upon. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 07:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Then how do I do? I have to sell Showbras that my contributions are allowed on Joao Gilberto? Should I ask someone I know to go on Wikipedia and write the truth? My testimony to the Wikipedia is censored by the fact that I have participated in the story? My company is perceived as being my own person and therefore can not be cited as actually accomplished? I think the rules are being read and interpreted the wrong way and I ask that you review your concepts to Wikipedia, it makes no sense to me.--Gil Lopes (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

And please, i would like you consider your own rules: "Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest. Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant and conforms to the content policies, particularly WP:SELFPUB. Excessive self-citation is strongly discouraged. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion. In any case, citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work, giving proper due to the work of others as in a review article". That is it! We are talking about exactly these, so...--Gil Lopes (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying there is no third-party press or other media coverage of the important relationship between your agency and Mr. Gilberto? Such coverage would make this whole issue vanish as it should. Point me to a newspaper article, a magazine article, anything that's not a press release or marketing material; we need reliable verifiable sources that will allow any reader to follow the links and see that we're getting the information from an accurate, hopefully objective source. It would be as simple as, say, a paragraph in Jornal do Brasil mentioning the relationship. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 16:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand your point and as I said to you: on all of João Gilberto's records in our period ( 25 years) you have discriminated my direct participation or my wife Carmela Forsin ( production, executive production, management, etc..), we are partners in ShowBras too, that for more than 30 years producing the greatest artists of Brazil, including overseas . In the early 90's Veja magazine, Brazil's important magazine , brought Joao on the cover and published our photos and comments on the matter ( it is on our site), several publications also mention our participation, however, we did not do this important, however, and this may have been a failure or not, the fact is that we personnaly kept away from media movement. But our presence is very clear, and the site of our company is very clear. And our website is legitimate, there you can find the publications that refer to Joao as well as promotional materials such as posters and programs. Plus, being a matter of public and notorious, once published we have the possibility to check if someone contradicts. If this were not true, then we would deny other sources. The fact is that I should not prove what is true, this requirement should not fall on me. I have what I have, has the truth and history, should have no more than that.--Gil Lopes (talk) 17:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I found something very funny and interesting, see: http://domacedo.blogspot.com.br/2011/06/o-mordomo-de-joao-gilberto.html Gil Lopes (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

and more: http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/artist/music/detail.aspx?pid=10548&aid=2870 --Gil Lopes (talk) 21:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

and much more with me and Carmela Forsin:

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/carmela-forsin-mn0001229095

http://www.discogs.com/search?q=Carmela+Forsin

http://albumcredits.com/Profile/302043 http://www.discosdobrasil.com.br/discosdobrasil/consulta/detalhe.php?Id_Disco=DI00285

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/carmela-forsin/2481772

http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/live-in-montreux

http://www.nordesteweb.com/not06/ne_not_20010613d.htm

http://srv-net.diariopopular.com.br/17_06_01/ip120613.html

http://www.jb.com.br/cultura/noticias/2008/03/17/o-tesouro-escondido-de-joao-gilberto/

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/ilustrada/ult90u14334.shtml

http://veja.abril.com.br/arquivo_veja/capa_30051990.shtml

Now it is going to be good.--189.60.189.35 (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

It might be if it was written in tolerable English, and if you didn't continue to promote your own company; I'm afraid most of it will need to be completely re-written. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 15:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not being allowed at pt:João Gilberto for the same reason we can't allow it here. You must resolve the conflict of interest issue before you continue with this. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 19:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

But what is the conflict of interest? If the manager asks me to prove and I will send a list of quotes? You compare versions and see what the richest and most true, what was and you guys insist on keeping is simply misinformation. What we have done better and ... Where it is reasonable to resolve the conflict? what is the forum, to talk to? See just above what your colleague has requested, is more than enough.--189.60.189.35 (talk) 01:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Head over to WP:Dispute resolution. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 01:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, now it's just vandalism.Big text --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 15:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Who is doing Vandalism?????

That's is the text in GOOD English and Real Information:

25 years ( 1984-2008) Starting with the concert at the Coliseu dos Recreios in Lisbon in June 1984 celebrating his 25-year career until his last tour in 2008 celebrating 50 years of Bossa Nova, João Gilberto was managed by Showbras[2]. In 1986, the heyday of rock Brazil, João made his first soundtrack recording for a television soap opera, the Brazilian hit of the moment "Call Me" (by Lobao). After releasing the album "Live in Montreux" in 1989, João was nominated for a Grammy for the Best Jazz Male Vocal Performance. In 1990, João joined Maria Bethania (Caetano Veloso's sister) on her album [celebrating her 25 years career]. His album "João" was released the following year, accompanied by an appearance at a national TV advert for “Brahma” beer. It was one of the first adverts to feature a major recording artist and encouraged other artists to appear in advertising campaigns. The same year saw the release of the TV series "João and Antonio" narrated by Caetano Veloso and directed by Walter Moreira Salles. The "Number One" tour [1991] marked the reunion of João and Tom Jobim on stage after more than 30 years. The concert was recorded for a TV special and distributed by VideoFilmes in several countries, including the BBC in Great Britain. "Sampa" is the only music video by João Gilberto which was directed by Brazilian filmmaker Ricardo Van Steen. In 1993, João performed at the reopening of the Teatro Castro Alves in Salvador, Bahia accompanied by Maria Bethania and Gal Costa. He also performed at the first Miami Jazz Festival held at the Jack Gleason Theater the same year. In 1994, during a live performance in Sao Paulo, a TV special was recorded to celebrate the anniversary of the Brazilian TV channel TV Cultura. The recording of the performance was released by Sony under the title "I Know That I Love You." At the Avery Fisher Hall in New York in 1995, João performed at a concert dedicated to Antonio Carlos Jobim (1927-1994)[5], involving other well-known artists such as Sting, Herbie Hancock and Astrud Gilberto. In 2001, he won a Grammy (Best World Music Album) for "João Voice and Guitar". In 2003, João performed for the first time in Japan, at Forum in Tokyo. João returned to Forum twice and recorded a live album. In June 2005, João Gilberto featured in a TV advert for Companhia Vale do Rio Doce. The advert was filmed in Rio de Janeiro and the song ends with the words "the best of Brazil is the Brazilian people." The advert was only shown on TV in October 2008 and a year later it was re-released. In 2008, João signed his biggest contract in celebration of his 50 year career, with the sponsorship of a bank[6]. Over the 25 years João Gilberto made appearances in the US, Europe and Brazil, recorded four studio albums, two live albums and featured in three Brazilian national TV advertising campaigns. --189.60.189.35 (talk) 16:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Edits removed ?????

why last edits were removed ? As a Brazilian and that have followed João's life for many years, it is not understandable why latest edits were removed. The last 25 years of João's life are considered the most important ones. And it is a FACT that they were managed by a company called Showbras. It is like trying to wipe out that kind of entry from the page of The Beatles. Example "professional act by manager Brian Epstein" with a link to Brian's page. also, "The Beatles' first recording session under Martin's direction took place at EMI's Abbey Road Studios in London on 6 June 1962" with a link to Abbey Road Studios. Are we also promoting them ?

I kindly request page to be unprotected and correct info reposted to the entry. Thanks