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October 9

NEW NOMINATIONS

Lists of office-holders by country

Propose renaming Category:Lists of English office-holders‎ to Category:Lists of office-holders in England

Nominator's rationale: These categories are of lists of office-holders by the country of the office and not, as the current names might suggest, lists of office-holders by nationality. The proposed naming format is the one that is used in Category:Lists of political office-holders by country. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Electric energy

Propose upmerging or deleting

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary categories created by a banned user. Most of the contents are lists so should also be in Category:Energy-related lists Hugo999 (talk) 22:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Farm to Market Roads with dead ends

Propose deleting Category:Farm to Market Roads with dead ends

Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, unnecessary to have category for roads with dead ends. Dough 48 72 22:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roque

Propose merging Category:Roque to Category:Croquet
Propose merging: Category:1904 in roque to Category:1904 in croquet
Propose merging: Category:Roque competitions by country to Category:Croquet competitions by country
Propose merging: Category:Roque in the United States to Category:Croquet in the United States
Propose renaming Category:Roque competitions in the United States to Category:Croquet competitions in the United States
Propose deleting: Category:Roque by year
Propose deleting: Category:Roque by country
Propose deleting: Category:Roque competitions
Propose deleting: Category:Roque at the 1904 Summer Olympics

Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:SMALLCAT; this structure holds only 2 articles. The page Roque at the 1904 Summer Olympics is already in all other necessary categories. – Fayenatic London 12:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Category:Roque, but Merge the rest to Category:Roque. The game of Roque appears to have had a period of popularity in the early 20th-century, so there is scope for expansion, which means that WP:SMALLCAT does not apply.
However, the current proliferation of sub-categories is absurd when there are only 2 articles. Thanks to the nom for bringing this to CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Category:Roque and upmerge to it; and merge to the suggested targets (except for Roque) ; this would place year/place articles into the Croquet category tree, while having a roque head category with no subdivisions. -- 70.50.149.56 (talk) 23:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Venice after 1797

Propose renaming Category:History of Venice after 1797 to Category:History of Venice (post Republic of Venice)

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Generally we avoid dates in categories for before or after topics. In this case, this appears to be about the history of Venice after the Republic of Venice ceased to exist. While there may be a better name, this is a starting point for discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:French engineers by Grande école

Propose renaming Category:French engineers by Grande école to Category:Grande école alumni

Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is apparently supposed to group categories for alumni of several "grandes écoles". However, the current name suggests that all these alumni are French. Most of them obviously will be, but not all. Note that the daughter cats don't contain the word "French". Renaming the cat to "Grande école alumni" will bring the name more in line with out other alumni categories and remove any ambiguity. Guillaume2303 (talk) 16:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nominator. This is purely a container category, so I have tagged with {{container category}}. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leave it as it is This category is a subcategory of the Category:French engineers ; French engineers are sorted according to the school they did. HEC alumni or ENA alumni are "Grande école alumni" but they are NO engineers ! On the other hand, all alumni of French engineering schools who have their page in Wikipedia are French !! I challenge Guillaume2303 to show me one NON French person who :

is an alumnus of one French Top engineering school
has their page on Wikipedia.

One question to Guillaume2303 : why doesn't he try to sort Dutch neuroscientists instead of insisting on sorting out French engineers ? Euroflux (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please stay with the subject. Dutch neuroscientists have nothing to do with the category under discussion. You should know by now that you should comment on the subject, not the person. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's stick to the subject ; are you able to mention ONE NON French alumnus of a French engineering Grande école who has their page on Wikipedia ?? I have not seen one of them... Euroflux (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your question is absolutely irrelevant. The grandes écoles don't limit attendance to French citizens only. Hence it's incorrect to name a container category the way you did, because the defining characteristic is not that the articles contained in these categories are about French people, but that they are about alumni of the grandes écoles. The fact that at this point (I haven't checked, I take your word for it) all alumni that are in WP are, indeed, French, is just a coincidence. Suppose all of them are male, would you then include the word "male" in the title of this category? Of course not. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category: Fictional popes

Delete Category:Fictional popes. Patent nonsense. Found this category going through the 'Popes' category. Benkenobi18 (talk) 12:50, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or at least remove articles vaguely related to fictional popes. Oculi (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - In the midst of ten miscategorized articles (which I will remove now) about works of fiction, as well as two articles about legends (Jewish pope Andreas, Pope Joan), the category contains four articles about fictional popes: Giggerota, Cardinal Lamberto, Peter Mathews (Left Behind) and Pope Urban X. None of them is of particularly good quality, so I will see if they could be merged to various lists of characters. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I merged Peter Mathews (Left Behind) to a list of characters, but several articles (and a handful of redirects) remain in the category. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 20:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2010s Japanese animated television series

Propose merging Category:2010s Japanese animated television series to Category:2010s anime series

Nominator's rationale: These two categories are the same, however, Category:2010s anime series keeps the naming convention of parent category Category:2010s anime. Anime is the common term for Japanese animation and is in wide use (go into any FYE or other video store). —Farix (t | c) 11:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shopping venues in Lebanon

Propose deleting Category:Shopping venues in Lebanon - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: There is neither an established tree of Category:Shopping venues nor, for that matter, a clear definition of "shopping venue" that differentiates it from any other type of retail building. I moved a number of articles to Category:Shopping districts and streets in Lebanon, leaving just three misplaced articles about retail companies. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 04:59, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. We also do not classify businesses by every place that they operate in which appears to be the inclusion criteria for 2 of the three articles. Category:Retail buildings seems like the best tree match for what might be intended here or maybe Category:Companies of Lebanon. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More Chinese sports categories

Propose upmerging

Category:Sport deaths in the People's Republic of China to Category:Sport deaths in China

Propose renaming

Category:Horse races in the People's Republic of China to Category:Horse races in China
Category:Athletics venues in People's Republic of China to Category: Athletics venues in China
Category:People's Republic of China sport stubs to Category:China sport stubs
Category:Chinese sportspeople stubs (?); subcategories are PRC….
Re Category:National Games of the People's Republic of China and subcategories; possibly leave as the category follows the article titles?

Nominator's rationale:: additional PRC categories to rename or upmerge. Hugo999 (talk) 03:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Horse racing, Swimming in China

Propose renaming

Propose upmerginging

Category:Sport in the People's Republic of China to Category:Sport in China

Nominator's rationale: Most of the subcategories of Category:Sport in China by sport are just “… in China” already.

Hugo999 (talk) 13:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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+*'''Keep''' [[:Category:Roque]] and '''upmerge''' to it; and '''merge''' to the suggested targets (except for Roque) ; this would place year/place articles into the Croquet category tree, while having a roque head category with no subdivisions. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.50.149.56|70.50.149.56]] ([[User talk:70.50.149.56|talk]]) 23:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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