User talk:Sitush

... or panic madly and freak out?

Have you come here to rant at me? It's water off a duck's back.

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Sitush, can you please let me know if you've heard anything from Joyson Prahbu, I've not heard from him in a month, I hope nothing bad has happened to him, please let me know.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

No, sorry. I emailed him but got no response. I am aware of his health issues and will dig further when my own health is improved. He should not be difficult to track down. - Sitush (talk) 17:19, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm worried about him, as I think you are also aware. Sorry to hear you are in such poor health. I wish you all the best.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:29, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I've mailed you. - Sitush (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, I have just read the previous section and wanted to drop by to wish you get well soon. See you around. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 19:19, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Red Lines

Dear Sitush! Did you read the red lines above? -- Doc Taxon (talk) 13:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

My apologies. Yes, I saw the stuff but have been (a) unwell and (b) somewhat pissed off with the environment here. I am grateful for the transcript that you provided and, yes, I will use it - it is very useful info and your efforts are much appreciated. Whether I carry on doing other things here is at present somewhat moot but I hope that if I do then perhaps I could get back to you regarding the other issue? I apologise if this sounds as if I am taking advantage of your kindness etc: I am not in a great place right now but remain optimistic. - Sitush (talk) 01:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Please stop canvassing and please stop stalking my edits.

Please stop canvassing, as you did here [1]. I notice that the canvassed ed, Qwyrxian has promptly turned up in your support. I have no respect for support gained by underhand means. Also please stop stalking me in articles I edit, as you did here [2], here [3], here [4]. I do not think you could act in a neutral/reasonable way, particularly in matters related to Pakistan. Please let others deal with these issues.OrangesRyellow (talk) 10:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope. I have not canvassed and I am correct in my application of policy etc. You've tried this before and failed (at ANI) but feel free to take me there again. Just watch out for the boomerang. - Sitush (talk) 10:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Please note, OrangesRyellow, that WP:STALK does not apply when there is a serious concern that a person's edits violate policy. For example, if I spot an editor vandalizing one page, I often look at the user's other contributions to see if this is part of a bigger problem. If Sitush thinks that you're violating policies on those edits, he's not only allowed, but, in fact, encouraged to see if there are other problems. Following another user is only "stalking" if the intention is to aggravate or irritate the other editor. Given past experiences, I sincerely doubt that's what's occurring here. Instead, I recommend trying to listen to what Sitush says, as there's a very good chance that he's accurately representing our policy. However, if you have concerns, you're welcome to raise them with me on my talk page. Finally, canvasing only applies to cases where you're trying to stack a discussion (like an RfC or deletion discussion)--it doesn't apply to asking another editor for advice. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Tbh, if the items that I am removing at Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2012 really are down to OrangesRyellow then there may be a case to be opened at WP:CCI and there is certainly a very good case for close examination of their other edits. I don't think I have found one entry so far that is not a copyright violation & I am sorely tempted to blank the page. - Sitush (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Pakistan has been in the grip of extremist violance for the last two years at least. Human rights of women, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmadiyas, Shias, Hazaras, etc. have been violated extensively and I am concerned that Wikipedia is doing a piss-poor job of noting these events. Sitush, being Pakistani POV, is trying to prevent me from doing so. He is stalking my edits only for this reason. His trouble with the Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2012 article was already obvious to me. He could not bear even looking at a copy of the article on my user page. Please note that WP in not censored. WP:CENSOR. He does not want to see that, and other articles which are troublesome for Pakistani POV types. He has deleted lots of properly sourced content and is looking to delete more. He should be restrained from editing these articles. In the above-mentioned article, only some recent additions are my contributions. Look into the article's history. Others have contributed to this article and I am not responsible for what other people may have done. Sitush's non neutral, pro Pakistani POV is too obvious and is unacceptable. And I do not agree with Qwyrxian's minimalist interpretation of WP:CANVAS. I understand that it has a much wider scope and can apply to article content disputes where others are roped in for support.OrangesRyellow (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

You've accused me of a Pakistani POV before and have consistently ignored evidence to the contrary. Keep this up and you'll likely find yourself blocked. - Sitush (talk) 12:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Dude, laugh it off. OrangeRyellow, your accusation is ridiculous--Sitush has the same POV I have, which is that Wikipedia articles should follow Wikipedia policies. But, if it amuses you, look through his archives and those of ANI's; you'll see he's been accused of British colonisalist POVs, POV's supporting a half dozen different castes, Indian POVs, etc., etc. No accusation was ever found to be correct. And if the entries he is removing on that list are copyright violations, than POV isn't even a relevant question: we cannot, ever, for even a short minute, directly copy text from other sources. Sitush, I'd recommend against a complete blanking, unless you get through, say, more than a third of the list and almost everything has been a copyvio. If you do blank it, use the copyvio blanking template and list it on WP:Copyright problems. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been holding off the blanking. So far, I've cut from 97k to 75k and all bar a couple have been copyvios. If it gets to, say, 60-65k then I'll probably report the thing. But I'll probably lose the will to live before then ... - Sitush (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Caste based information on wikipedia is not exact

Mr sitush i think you are a very senior editor on wikipedia. Here 'senior' doesn't denote your age but your work on wikipedia. But I have a doubt whether you truly know whether the information you edit on wikipedia is really genuine or not. All the references which you consider as reliable are outdated. You consider the references of 1980's of the article Tyagi to be reliable but it's 2012 now and 32 years is a big period if you consider the speed at which the world is changing. I have a request to you just come out of these books see what's happening in reality. Just try to know what state of mind are people in today. You are providing the outdated and obsolete information by including these references.According to me it's better to provide exact and precise information rather than the one dwindling in its existence and i expect same from you.

For your better knowledge i would like to tell you that every change is cyclic in nature. The time period of this could vary but you can't prevent it from happening. So the best thing is to accept the reality by accepting the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.202.187.232 (talk) 08:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)IP, if you know of more current sources, I'm sure that they would be welcomed, so long as they meet WP:RS. However, Wikipedia rules don't allow us to "see what's happening in reality"--that would constitute original research, which is forbidden. Sitush is editing less often recently; if there's some sources or article that you think needs looking into, feel free to drop a note on my talk page and I'll try to get to it when I can. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Watchlist

Hi, Yes, that was in my watchlist. The citation error problem was mentioned in last part of Talk:Rameswaram#Section_01! --Tito Dutta (talk) 05:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Tito. There were a lot of things mentioned! I've never done a GA review and, frankly, I doubt that I'd be much good at them because my standards tend to be somewhere between GA and FA, making it probably a rather frustrating experience for all concerned. But for those who do review, I think that it might sometimes be instructive to see what others think soon after the event. I'm not sure whether the article meets or fails GA now: I would have failed it in the state that it was at the time of the nomination but, like I said, my standards and indeed my interpretation of the criteria are probably askew. Anyway, I'll try to polish up the referencing stuff when I come down off my meds. It definitely could do with some basic work, GA or no GA- Sitush (talk) 05:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Ya, the references were in worse condition. I was/am weak in sfn style reference, that's why asked second opinion there, there they mentioned another article with similar issues which was most probably GA or FA! I have felt GA process might be little bit confusing sometimes. After successful passing of few articles (by other reviewers). I have felt those article aren't GA. In one article I went forward and discussed with others. There has been a complaint against me I sometimes make the reviews too strict (and add FA types comments). I am taking a break from GA reviews. Most probably I'll back to reviews sometime in 2013. Tomorrow is Kali Puja (in Bengal it s mainly called Kali Puja or Dipabali unlike Hindi belt's Diwali) SO, Dipabalir Shubechha (i.e. Good wishes of the festival). I have been watching Ek Tha Tiger. Let me go back to the film now. --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Go enjoy that film. And my best wishes to you! - Sitush (talk) 06:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I have got emails from Yogesh Khandke where he has felt the word "Hindi belt" is "denigrative". Well, I meant language, i.e. in Hindi it is mainly called "Diwali", in Bengali it is "Dipabali" (in Hindi "Holi", in Bengali "Dol") etc!--Tito Dutta (talk) 07:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Tito, no worries. I knew what you meant by "Hindi belt". And you should know what I think of Yogesh by now. Don't feel that you have to toe his line - most other experienced contributors here seem not to! - Sitush (talk) 07:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012

I was unfamiliar with the slang "bollocks" that you used. [5]

I tried to look it up, my browser gave me the following warning, "WEBIMAGESVIDEOSMORE Your country or region requires a strict Bing SafeSearch setting, which filters out results that might return adult content. To learn more about SafeSearch requirements in your country or region, see How Bing delivers search results." (Browser: Safari, device IPad). I will provide a screen shot on demand.

You have indulged in profanity in the recent past when communicating with me.[6]

Please understand the international nature of the project and that civility is one of its pillars. You are requested to refrain from using slang/profanity. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

If you stop writing bollocks, as you did at Talk:International Association of Sanskrit Studies, then I will stop describing it as bollocks. - Sitush (talk) 04:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

AN/I

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Noted. - Sitush (talk) 05:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Moving right along. Drmies (talk) 05:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

That's what I figure, hence my non-reaction at ANI. - Sitush (talk) 05:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see that it what you that closed it. Another day, another .... oh, I don't do paid editing. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Inquiry of assertive action on the article regarding Hazara persecution

Hey, I'd like to ask the exact reason the user User:Arctan371 is being punished for? He recently left his concerns on the Feedback dashboard ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard/58083 ), and I feel a tendency to defend his cause, since I went through the same thing in the past, and my ethnic group is going through a slower version of the same thing. Depending on what the reason was for his punishment shall I defend him, of course. It seemed, at first glance, that his edits were constructive, with some of them having a source, though with some grammatical errors that could very easily be fixed. Why were these contributions not accepted and fixed? Why were they blocked, including the part with a citation? I'm curious, and slightly afraid that this dispute is involving vengeful tactics, instead of fair, balanced, and calm resolution from both sides equally. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 05:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't block, of course, but the reasons are noted on their talk page and also on the article talk page. Basically, they were showing no inclination to discuss, they were reinstating unsourced and sometimes pov-ily phrased statements, they were being reverted by several people etc and were (IIRC) in breach of WP:3RR, which is a bright-line. You'll note that I have tried to explain what they need to do and others have pointed out the real problems that exist in this subject area and which have given rise to it being subject to ArbCom-authorised sanctions.

Obviously, if you can get this message across and if you want to assist in finding decent sources etc (after reviewing the article talk threads) then that would be great. You need perhaps to be aware that they are also at present the subject of a report at WP:SPI - here - which was filed by someone other than me. This is not about the rights and wrongs of the persecution of people in Quetta but rather one of how we do things on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 05:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks for explaining.. One thing I immediately think of when trying to find sources for this information is my complete lack of Urdu and Arabic skills - I might not be able to read the online news sources which report these things, especially the smaller ones. I'll try tomorrow anyway. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 05:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe I should wait until the dispute blows over... I don't know these people personally, so it doesn't matter to me that I mingle in the dispute now that I know that things like sockpuppetry and POV are involved, also after them not heeding your [plural] advice. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 05:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the systemic issue is likely to be a problem here but my initial reading-around suggests that there are likely to be plenty of English language sources. Darkness Shines actually listed a few possibles on the article talk page but I've not got round to seeing if I have access to them. Hopefully, soon, I'll have JSTOR access and I am pretty sure that issues such as this will have been covered by academic journals. - Sitush (talk) 05:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Argo and Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

Hi Sitush and friends/enemies!

I was unaware of your expertise on India.

Ben Affleck's 2012 film Argo tells the story of the CIA's attempt to rescue hostages from Iran (after the 1979 Revolution) using a cover story of filming a science-fiction movie.

The movie was to have been based on the Hugo-award and Nebula-award winning 1967 novel Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny. (Jack Kirby drew some story boards.)

Lord of Light uses Hinduism the way his This Immortal used Greek pantheism. The WP article on Lord of Light has no discussion of from Indian or Hindu writers, as far as I know. I would be interested in learning about such responses.

Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not good on Hinduism as a religious concept (as opposed to its social effects etc), and I'm even worse on movies and literature (mainly because I can never get my head round what is acceptable as a plot summary & the weight issues surrounding reviews/criticism). You might try posting at WT:INB. - Sitush (talk) 10:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Sitush! As you know, but your readers need not, I followed your suggestion. Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

August 2011 Quetta bombing

Dear Sitush

There are many other articles like 2011 Mastung bus shooting, 2011 Hazara Town shooting and so on which are mentioned in the main article Persecution of Hazara people in Quetta. Do you believe that those articles should be nominated as well for deletion?

As far as this article is concerned, I will add the details of the incident like I have done in other articles (mentioned above). Now, nominating the article for deletion is a bit unfair, I just started it. Let it be completed then review it if it is copied or mentioned (in detail) in any other article then of course this should be nominated for deletion. Hazara Birar ^(Talk) 10:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:OSE is relevant here. Not to mention a significant amount of pro-Hazara POV-pushing.- Sitush (talk) 10:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't write in Hindu Castes

For a Hindu, Caste is very important. I don't know Sitush to which caste you belong and to which part of the India. Atleast I can find out that you don't belong to Andhra, and you are not Telugu. Without any knowledge of feelings of Telugu people and the Telugu castes don't write, edit, re edit the Wikipedia articles on major Telugu Castes. Only a Reddy would know about their caste, only a Balija Naidu would know about their caste, only a Kamma Naidu would know about their caste. Please don't edit articles on these major Telugu castes without much knowledge and insult us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.250.17 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid that you are completely misunderstanding how Wikipedia works. As a starting point, you may wish to read our Five Pillars. - Sitush (talk) 11:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Update: Sitush, My apologies for being harsh during my previous post in your talk page. I am not deleting that post (but you are free to do it) from your talk page. Please continue to manage the pages on Hindu Telugu castes, we appreciate your time and good work. I have read through Wikipedia's Five Pillars and will let you know of any new information which can be added to the Balija page.

Custom Coaches

It seems a pity to remove so much historical information.... granted it was unsourced but was it untrue??? and is there no source available? Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I've no idea whether it was accurate or not, precisely because there were no sources. It had been tagged for a very long time and - IIRC - the article was being used for promotional stuff by a COI editor also. If you can find policy-compliant sources etc then great. - Sitush (talk) 10:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Dost, i am glad you visited article Durga Bhabhi and edited it by removing a few images that i had uploaded. Since i am a new wikipedian and have little knowldege about image copyrights and wikipedia's policies for image uploads. The images that i had uploaded to wikimedia commons are rare images that are important for the article above mentioned , and would be a great help to visiter who is intrested in the article.i had found those images on internet ,and sources are mentioned with the respective images on wikimedia website.I guess you are a senior editor ,so it would be a great help if you could improve the required information for the images or you yo just could just suggest me ,what steps should i follow. i have already gone through the wikipedia policis but couldnt make much out of it.Articles are related to indian historical personalities(freedom fighters). Lets provide space on wikipedia to those who deserve the most.

TheBharatam 05:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebharatam (talk • contribs)

Hi, I am not great with stuff relating to images myself! The gist in the instances that you refer to is that we need to have clear evidence of permission to use the things. If I remember correctly, they were taken from the website of a museum and there were no dates etc on the things, so we have no idea when they were first published. Your best bet might be to email the museum and see if they would be willing to provide permission for use or confirmation that they are in the public domain via our OTRS system. - Sitush (talk) 19:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Nonconformist chapels

Hi Sitush! I've got the wanted pages of Stell's Nonconformist chapels and meeting-houses. Where I have to send it to? Greetings, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 19:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Much appreciated, Doc! I've mailed you a response. - Sitush (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail -- Doc Taxon (talk) 20:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

got it. Thanks very much. - Sitush (talk) 20:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Please stop reverting edits if you can't have a constructive discussion

I have discussed a lot with you regarding inclusion of Gurjar as claimed members in Kshatriya page. Our discussions didn't get anywhere because I think you assume ownership of that very page or you are being very rigid about your thoughts. If you are failing to get to some conclusive discussion because you lack any solid point to revert my edits, why are you doing it. In addition to it, I've already said that I am open to talk on the "TALK" page of the "article" so STOP FLOODING MY TALK PAGE WITH NOTICES. I am again requesting you to go through the last content I added. It is completely valid and referenced. Still if you think it was not right, you should stop reverting my edits and accept that you need to study history deeper. Thank you. -Author 91 (talk) 09:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I am laughing after reading what you've written last on the talk page of Kshatriya .

You seem to think that Gurjars are called that because of region. You seriously need to study history, specially INDIAN HISTORY to know that Gurjar is caste. You must be very knowledgeable about FEW things but don't act as if you're master of all. Because you know NOTHING of CASTE SYSTEM IN INDIA. I'd suggest, LEAVE EDITING ARTICLES ABOUT CASTES before you end up destroying complete Indian history.