Wikipedia talk:Criticisms

LIBERAL

On this page and on What's not so great about Wikipedia, you can't find the world "liberal" either on the pages themselves or on the corresponding talk pages. Given that everybody knows Wikipedia has a liberal bias (the conservatives know it and hate it; the liberals know it and laugh up their collective sleeve), why hasn't somebody mentioned that anywhere? Answer: That same liberal bias that pervades the whole of Wikipedia is at work to eradicate that criticism from these pages. Downright Draconian.

I'm not entirely sure of the point of this... it's somewhat weird to be complaining at what someone wrote about us a year ago, and will anyone who read Jasco's "pan" also read this? Better would be a letter to the publisher, I suspect. Martin

I agree that the audience for this is not primarily people who read the original article; this is not a substitute for letters to the publisher. Rather, it seemed like a good idea to keep track of things critics say (and presumably there will be more of them in the future as Wikipedia attracts attention), in order to compare them to how things really turn out. It also keeps us honest: we don't just quote people who agree with us, we listen and we respond. (This can be more convincing to skeptics than a collection of worshipful quotations.) Honestly, also, it is entertaining to keep track of published criticisms that turn out to be wildly wrong (e.g. that we'll never break 50,000 articles, or that Jimbo will cash in on Wikipedia for dot-com zillions). -- Steven

merge it

I think this article should be merged with Criticism_of_Wikipedia as it covers mainly the same topic. We should deal with this very seriously because the credibility of Wikipedia is at stake here.

Yes, and no. Criticism of Wikipedia is for the benefit of our readers, and we should indeed be very serious about it. Wikipedia:Criticisms is for our own benefit, and we can be as POV and inaccurate and inappropriate as we like here. So far, it seems to serve as a quote repository. I've tagged both articles as needing to be merged from each other; I'm essentially advocating that the content should be duplicated across the articles, where appropriate, and adapted. Criticism of Wikipedia is an encyclopedia article, which should remain NPOV, factual and all that; Wikipedia:Criticisms can be whatever we want it to be. If any article goes, though, it should be this one. JRM 22:16, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

• Is there a way to make the link "Criticism of Wikipedia" in the "It has been suggested that Criticism of Wikipedia be merged..." section actually point to Criticism of Wikipedia? --Matthew0028 09:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I am strongly opposed to the current proposal to merge the article into the Wikipedia-space project page. This would effectively remove the article from the Wikipedia, placing it in a page that is part of the community's own process. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:59, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Definitely merge. I got confused by the smaller article when demonstrating wikipedia to a friend. Was looking for the larger one (topics are identical) Adidas 11:51, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

They should not be merged. One is an article, the other is a project page. Fredrik | talk 21:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Yep. These should not be merged. Pages starting with "Wikipedia:" exist for the sake of Wikipedia editors, not for casual readers of an encyclopedia. The only reason one might delete "criticism of Wikipedia" is if the article was too minor to be of any note, and I don't consider Wikipedia to be that trivial. The pages could use some revision (I heavily edited "Criticism of Wikipedia" myself a few months ago because of redundancies and poor organization), but neither should be deleted. -Silence 20:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, these two pages should not be merged. If anything, the reverse should happen, with Wikipedia:Criticisms be merged with the talk page of Critcism of Wikipedia. The Criticism of Wikipedia article provides an easily accessed article that provides some legitimate evidence against this website, but more importantly, shows casual readers that Wikipedia is credible and tries to present the most neutral point of view for everything. Readers who are unable to find a page about the Criticism of Wikipedia within the normal article realm will have the impression of a tyrannical wiki, undermining credibility and popularity. King 08:18, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

I like King's proposal that we merge the project page in the Wikipedia: namespace with the Talk page on the article in the main encyclopedia. Mamawrites 10:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Do merge. They involve critics on Wikipedia. Criticism of Wikipedia should remain, with the content from Wikipedia:Criticism added to it. Doidimais Brasil 06:16, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

• Don't merge, as per JRM above. — Matt Crypto 10:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I Say Let's Merge Them!

They basically talk about the same thing. Unless they want to downscale the apparent critscism, these should have been merged long ago. Merge, redirect, and be done with it.

Let's not

As it was said above, this area is for the benefit of Wikipedians. The other article is a Wikipedia article designed to be for them and NPOV. I see little point in deleting that article to put the material in a nonwikipedia article here.

If we want to move this stuff there then perhaps, although I'd keep them seperated. --ShaunMacPherson 19:16, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm with you! No merge! Keep! --Brazil4Linux 13:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Me too! Rath 12:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

A simple argument for merge

One page with general criticism is enough. 99% of our users are not familiar with Wiki's ins and outs, and even most of our registered users find it hard to understand why we need several pages on the same subject. I strongly suggest not only merging Criticism of Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Criticism, but also Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia is not so great. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 14:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Keep Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia is not so great as it is. It is not an article, nor is it attributed, and some of the points are more valid than others. It is a list of points of potential self-criticism showing that Wikipedia recognises potential failings whether or not they have been pointed out by others. I don't care about the other article(s). --Henrygb 16:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Different namespaces

The merge/redirect is absolutely out of question simply because the two belong to different namespaces: article space and "wikipedia:" space. mikka (t) 03:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Boycott Campaign

The purpose of the "Wikipedia Boycott Campaign" would be to call attention to the systemic issues plaguing Wikipedia. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Refer to User:JuanMuslim/Wikipedia_Boycott_Campaign for details. Please address any questions, suggestions, etc you may have at talk -Wikipedia Boycott Campaign. --JuanMuslim ^1m 06:41, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge status

And why I am removing the tag! Firstly, pages in the Wikipedia namespace do not have to be as vigorous as the articles must be in the main namespace. There must be references to the critics on this page.

Next, the merge tag has been on the Criticism of Wikipedia page since August 6, 2005, and people have attempted to redirect even before the tag was added.

What I am doing, instead, is submitting the article to AfD. I will section the AfD into the following sections: keep as is, delete entirely, redirect, merge and redirect. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:List of known defamation incidents

Found something interesting... should we link it from here?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 02:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

alphabetize?

would anyone object if I alphabetized the headings? Richardjames444 19:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Intelligent design articles are "biased", says ID activist...

Casey Luskin of the Discovery Institute, the intelligent design creationism publicity machine says of Wikipedia:

I know of numerous people who have tried to suggest changes to Wikipedia to lessen the current bias of the ID entries -- including staff of Discovery Institute. They were rebuffed. The moderators of Wikipedia's ID-pages have repeatedly rejected and censored changes that would provide some semblance of balance or objectivity to the discussion. Basic accuracy on dates and names have suffered, never mind the downright falsehoods about the science.

Putting Wikipedia On Notice About Their Biased Anti-ID Intelligent Design Entries

1. Should this be put in?
2. Where should this be put in? Paul A. Newman 20:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Up-to-date?

Does anyone keep this page up-to-date? Are there any new critics since 2007? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2aprilboy (talk • contribs) 17:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Criticisms of socialism which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —Marcus Qwertyus 14:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Outdated criticisms

A lot of the criticisms don't apply anymore. For example, Péter Jacsó said that making more than 100,000 articles was "quite a tall order." We now have more than 4,000 times that number. Also, he said that "Jimbo expects advertisers by mid-2002, and then you know who is going to be laughing all the way to the bank." That never happened. Maybe we should remove the outdated criticisms.Madeleined2 (talk)