Talk:Thunderbird (mythology)

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Please see the discussion at talk:Thunderbird_(disambiguation). - UtherSRG 20:11, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Although the text removed is recording sightings of doubtful scientific accuracy, in my opinion that is not enough reason to remove them. DJ Clayworth 17:48, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I did a little work on the page Tatoosh Wilderness and the page Tatoosh that may or may not be helpful to the editor that takes on the task of getting the references for this page. It is my understanding the "tatoosh" is the word for Thunderbird. Jeepday 03:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Work

This article needs to be worked on a lot. Between the skepticism and scientific citations, it still continues to be a big part of Indigenous culture, spirituality, and beliefs to this day. I'll work on it as much as I can, but I'll need help for editing afterwards. I just feel something as important as one of the gods needs to be fixed up more. OldManRivers 13:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Alaska sighting details?

In 2002, a new sighting in Alaska was announced; the most probable explanation was a stray Steller's Sea Eagle.

Where and when? Myself I remember something from a flight from the Panhandle to upper Alaska back in the late '90s or so, maybe early '00s, where passengers of a commercial liner all saw a giant bat-winged bird somewhere over the Malaspina or Kluane icefields; nobody thought to take a picture of course (?). This sounds more like Crooked Beak, one of the three bird-servants of Cannibal-Giant-at-the-North-End-of-the-World from Kwakwaka'wakw lore, though, than it does a thunderbird; coulda been Hook-nosed Beak though, I guess ;-).Skookum1 23:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This artical needs mord information in it, For the artifact projects in the eigth grade they need percise information for their typing report they all com to me telling me they can't find information 12 march 2007

Thunderbird and Whale

OldManRivers, could you please have a look at this, which is a splinter article off Thunderbird that I wrote; I'm pretty sure the main version that I was raised with was from the Comox, from an old school text which also included Forbidden Plateau, which perhaps you could also look at. The differences between Pacific Northwest thunderbird lore (a handy older English word which I use also for my own hereditary cultures as opposed to mythology, stories etc; it also implies "learning") and Southwest versions should also be laid out; and I suspect the California peoples, or some of them, have their own. Might even be in Eastern/Southeast peoples - I'll ask User:Phaedriel (she's Comanche), but I'm not sure she's back from wikibreak. Thunderbird's a large topic in the long run, doncha think? BTW have you ever heard of the Piasa? Might have to do with Cahokia, which is another big topic area of unknowns and "lost lore", like so much else everywhere (as also in Europe, cf. Skara Brae, Drogheda, Avebury, et al.). The Thunderbird and Whale article also needs more references; and I'm sure there's Kwakwaka'wakw versions, if this one's not already Kwakwaka'wakw and not Comox, and I know the Thunderbird figures among the Haida, though not as prominently as Raven.Skookum1 00:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Is this the photo from the 1890 Arizona sighting?

I found this on Google...

http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/r/Q/1/thunderbird.jpg

All three sections inappropriate here

I'm not in the mood to do it just now, but the cryptozoology, teratorn and sporting teams section are ALL INAPPROPRIATE here and shyoluld be moved; this page is supposedly for indigneous-culture content; there's already Thunderbird (cryptozoology) and similar for the other sections, additions to this page should have to do with aboriginal mythology. Period.Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I forgot how bad this article is. I'll do my best to get to this and re-write/write more on it. I'll search for some sources in the meantime, then write away soon. Thanks for reminding me. OldManRivers (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I posted a mention on Talk:Thunderbird (cryptozoology) about trimming/migrating what's here, with 24hrs I'll go ahead and do it; not sure about the sports stuff, it oculd be on the disambiguation page if it weren't directly linked, i.e. historically, to the NW thunderbird myths/image.Skookum1 (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Source, dated but useful

• Indian History of the Northwest - Siwash by J.A. Costello, 1909, has some useful survey items on the Thunderbird myth across different peoples as perceived by white people of the time (i.e. this isn't an indigenously-accurate source). Starts on page 53, "Twana Thunderbird" but continues on into next chapters also, covering Costello's impression of Haida, Nuu-chah-nulth, Lakota/Dakota and other thunderbird myths.Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cryptozoology

Why is there an article specifically for cryptozoology and then this article which says it's not for cryptozoology, but all the article is is cryptozoology? Now I need to look someplace else for information on the mythical Thunderbird. 24.218.218.197 (talk) 18:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Black Tusk and Mount Cayley

Should Black Tusk and Mount Cayley be included this article? They are landing places of the Thunderbird. Black Tusk 19:06, 03 June 2008 (UTC)

We could, but we'll be adding like a few dozen mountains up and down the coast. I obviously don't know them all, but I've heard of mountains from Alaska to Washington. Actually, there's a cool story about the Thunderbird wrestling with the Sea-serpent someone in the Puget Sound. Anyways, we can. OldManRivers (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

End section

Something is botched up at the end of the article, with a bunch of blank boxes taking up space and the categories neutralized. Anyone know how to fix that?--24.255.171.220 (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Depictions in popular culture

No mention of the film "The Mothman Prophecies"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.88.29 (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

No WP:RELIABLE source that passes WP:UNDUE to cite it? Heiro 16:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Grandmothers Counsel the World: Women Elders Offer Their Vision for Our Planet

I'm pretty sure anything contained in this <ref name="tb_citation_">{{cite web|url=http://www.amazon.com/Grandmothers-Counsel-World-Elders-Vision/dp/1590302931|title="Grandmothers Counsel the World: Women Elders Offer Their Vision for Our Planet."|accessdate=26 February 2013}}</ref> does not pass WP:FRINGE, WP:UNDUE and WP:RELIABLE. Does anyone other than the IP edit warring to include this fringe new agey nonsense disagree with this assessment? Heiro 22:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I started a thread here Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Talk:Thunderbird (mythology). Heiro 22:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. This is the International Council of Thirteen Indigenous Grandmothers, which had been prophesied for years before it actually happened, in 2006. The information is current and a great source for where the legend of the Thunderbird comes from. In fact, one of the best sources in paper writing that there is for the myth right now. Does anyone agree with me that this should be allowed and a real source for oral history? Thanks. EM Che