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*'''Probably not a good idea'''.This page was previously an essay about "militant atheism" which criticised "new atheism" through extensive misuse of sources, synthesis, original research, sockpuppetry &c. The community finally prevailed and got rid of it. Militant atheism and new atheism are not the same thing; although readers of conservapedia may be forgiven for thinking otherwise as a copy of the essay is [http://www.conservapedia.com/Militant_atheism still there]. Redirecting this page to that target is restoring the original problem, in part. We already [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Militant atheism|discussed this redirect]]. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Probably not a good idea'''.This page was previously an essay about "militant atheism" which criticised "new atheism" through extensive misuse of sources, synthesis, original research, sockpuppetry &c. The community finally prevailed and got rid of it. Militant atheism and new atheism are not the same thing; although readers of conservapedia may be forgiven for thinking otherwise as a copy of the essay is [http://www.conservapedia.com/Militant_atheism still there]. Redirecting this page to that target is restoring the original problem, in part. We already [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Militant atheism|discussed this redirect]]. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' for the same reasons this redirect was done away with in the first place. [[User:BD2412|<font style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Oppose''' for the same reasons this redirect was done away with in the first place. [[User:BD2412|<font style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC) |
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*So it's best to keep a biased and inappropriate redirect? Why not just delete the page? Or, create a disambiguation page linking to antitheism, new atheism, and this Soviet organization? Not understanding the "logic" here. ([[User:Lagoy|Lagoy]] ([[User talk:Lagoy|talk]]) 16:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)) |
*So it's best to keep a biased and inappropriate redirect? Why not just delete the page? Or, create a disambiguation page linking to antitheism, new atheism, and this Soviet organization? Not understanding the "logic" here. As a militant atheist, from my perspective and everyone I've ever met, "militant atheism" when used by atheists ''is'' new atheism. Richard Dawkins also uses "militant atheism" in this regard. ([[User:Lagoy|Lagoy]] ([[User talk:Lagoy|talk]]) 16:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)) |
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This page should not have redirected to the League of Militant Atheists, a specific organization in a specific country. Militant atheism is far more widely applicable than to this single entity. Further, associating modern militant atheism, which is nothing more than New Atheism, with the Soviet Union can send the wrong message to believers or others who oppose atheists. I suggest keeping this redirect or making Militant Atheism a disambiguation page, offering New Atheism, Antitheism, the League of Militant Atheists. and perhaps other pages as links.
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Militant atheism → New Atheism – Inappropriate redirect. Lagoy (talk) 09:51, 2 June 2013 (UTC) I'm not sure if I filed this right. I'm new at this. But I believe it is inappropriate and biased to redirect the page "Militant Atheism," a page with a title about a general concept, to a specific organization in Soviet Russia (i.e., the League of Militant Atheists). That has the potential to put militant atheists in a bad light, given the crimes of the Soviet Union. The Soviet League of Militant Atheists is fundamentally irrelevant to modern militant atheists. A more appropriate redirect is to the page New Atheism, since that's what militant atheism actually is. Lagoy (talk) 09:51, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Probably not a good idea.This page was previously an essay about "militant atheism" which criticised "new atheism" through extensive misuse of sources, synthesis, original research, sockpuppetry &c. The community finally prevailed and got rid of it. Militant atheism and new atheism are not the same thing; although readers of conservapedia may be forgiven for thinking otherwise as a copy of the essay is still there. Redirecting this page to that target is restoring the original problem, in part. We already discussed this redirect. bobrayner (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reasons this redirect was done away with in the first place. bd2412 T 14:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- So it's best to keep a biased and inappropriate redirect? Why not just delete the page? Or, create a disambiguation page linking to antitheism, new atheism, and this Soviet organization? Not understanding the "logic" here. As a militant atheist, from my perspective and everyone I've ever met, "militant atheism" when used by atheists is new atheism. Richard Dawkins also uses "militant atheism" in this regard. (Lagoy (talk) 16:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC))