Talk:2013 Santa Monica shootings

Ethnicity/Religion

• Any word on the suspects race? Was he Muslim or Arab. Was this Islamic Terrorism? 71.94.139.196 (talk) 22:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I heard on the local news that a neighbor mentioned the first suspect was Lebanese College Watch (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a link? That would be good inclusion for the article. 71.94.139.196 (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

see belowRedhanker (talk) 23:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, the video shows a clear Asian-American young man being arrested in Santa Monica. Possible convert? Maybe a North Korea connection? 71.94.139.196 (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

That maybe simply someone dressed in black who was detained as fitting the active shooter BOLO. Carwon (talk) 14:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

There were some conspiracy theorists linking the Virgina Tech Cho killer to North Korea - one of his parents was from North Korea, his dad worked in Saudi Arabia. Various mysterious stabbings and vehicle and school attacks in South Korea and Japan might also come from North Korea Redhanker (talk) 23:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

In this case the radio news feeds are reporting that LA police are saying the shooters' father's and brother's name is Zawahri. Have not seen it in print yet to include. That name is almost always Egyptian (same as Al Qaeda leader) but also found in Lebanon and other Muslim countries.14:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Lebanese family

Two Dead In House Fire, Shooter Wounds Three People Near Santa Monica CollegePOSTED JUN. 7, 2013, 2:35 PM BRENTON GAREN / EDITOR-IN-CHIEF Jerry said she recognized the shooter as the son of the man who lives in the house. She they were a Lebanese family -- a father with two sons. "I’ve heard there are two people deceased inside, I’m guessing it’s the father and the son, they were the only people I saw in the house," she said. "It’s a dilapidated run down house, so it went up in flames really fast." Lebanese is usually Arab, either Christian or Muslim, though both tend to side against Israel Redhanker (talk) 22:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

He/They could also be Jewish and/or Israeli as well. There are also a lot of Iranian-Americans and Armenian-Americans in Los angeles, as well as Arab-Americans in the O.C. In the case of Iranian-Americans, they can be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or perhaps several other things. Keep up the good work and original research. We need more editors like you. 71.94.139.196 (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Fox11 confirms dead gunman was one of the sons of the family but media is not giving out name of those dead in the house or the suspect, only a couple of articles mention the family is Lebanese probably out of PC considerations. Asian man taken into custody in all-black clothing was said by chief to be a "person of interest" not yet linked by evidence. Asians are another group disproportionately represented among shootings and hostage incidents besides the obvious mideastern groups. Police chief said no when asked if she thought there was any link to terrorism, but authorities rarely link even obvious cases to terrorism these days. The incident seems to mimic a variety of terrorist style attacks and looks like it was planned and involved two suspects Redhanker (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

A person wearing black cloths and fitting an active shooter BOLO could easily be arrested and be completely innocent.

In this case the shooter's family name is reported as Zawhari/Zawahri/Zawahiri. That is a strictly Islamic name. Most common in Egypt but found in other Moslim coutnries

Other Traffic Shooter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/10/nhan-lap-tran-says-noisy-_n_2847553.html Nhan Lap Tran Says Noisy Cars Made Him Shoot Randomly: Documents 03/09/13] Nhan Lap Tran was a Vietnamese immigrant who claims "Noisy Cars" was his motive for shooting at several cars driving by, killing a boy in a minivan. Police were not able to establish any terrorist motive, but other than shouting "God is Great" at a military base, it doesn't look much different than the Fort Hood shooting. This incident looks a lot like other mass shootings, except it is also a bus attack, automatic rifle attack, man in tactical gear attack, a carjacking, murder of family members, and a fire, and probably a couple of other things by the time this story settles down. Redhanker (talk) 22:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Sources

International story:

• nbc
• guardian UK
• CBS
• USA Today

Video: Asian male in custody

youtube Was not linked by evidence to the sole shooter and released. He appeared to be wearing all-black garb which may be why authorities were interested in him. Redhanker (talk) 05:51, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

pics

Image of the perp: http://ktla.com/2013/05/16/east-l-a-college-on-alert-after-phone-threat/#axzz2VZvy6pFQ

• Not related. 71.94.139.196 (talk) 00:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

My bad. That is a thread to the school so I wonder if it is related in some way. RocketLauncher2 (talk) 00:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Firefighter at the scene: http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/santa-monica-college-shooting-0

Could someone add a pic? I'm not good at uploading images. The captions mentions who owns it — Preceding unsigned comment added by RocketLauncher2 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

New title?

Someone changed the title in the infobox which made me realize the title for the article is now wrong as there were incidents outside of the college too. What should the title be instead? RocketLauncher2 (talk) 00:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed... The same, Santa Monica-area shootings... and it needs to be done now. Kennvido (talk) 00:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. the shooting started outside the college. Emigdioofmiami (talk) 01:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Also agree. This shooting seems to have little to do with the campus other than ending on it and happening in the vicinity of it. I live/work relatively nearby, and a lot of the locales they talk about are NOT campus-affiliated, and this sounds more like a neighborhood/regional spree shooting than anything to do with the college. President David Palmer (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Also agree. The authorities have specifically said it was NOT a school shooting. One out of six dead victims was near the school. No other associated with school and shooter just ended up there while fleeingCarwon (talk) 14:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

"Perpetrator" or "Person of Interest"?

CNN is reporting that a "person of interest" was taken into custody. It may be a mistake to list that there are two perpetrators, at least for the time being. For one thing, the person of interest may be totally uninvolved. Even if he was, he may have had a secondary role in the crime (e.g. supplying the weapons to the shooter) but was not actually shooting at victims. It may be best for now to just say that there was only one perpetrator, with a note of some kind stating that a second person of interest is being questioned. --Delta1989 (talk/contributions) 01:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC) Taken care of. --Delta1989 (talk/contributions) 02:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Dupes

Someone keeps adding the same source multiple times. Can you editors check the references when editing to make sure you catch them? I already fixed a few but wow, it must be the same person doing it who doesn't know how to use ref names. RocketLauncher2 (talk) 01:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

• It's gone but now there's a crapton of sources from the same news source. How about a single source? RocketLauncher2 (talk) 08:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Contradiction

The Events section states nothing about bodies in the burning house. The Victims section asserts there were two bodies. Wherein lies the truth? WWGB (talk) 06:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Addressed. WWGB (talk) 06:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

School shooting

User:WWGB insists this is a School shootings in the United States. I say it's not just as the Chief of Police said it was not a school shooting. Just because it ended up a on a campus blocks from the start does not make it a school shooting. School shootings start at a school, they don't end there. I say remote it from Categories. Kennvido (talk) 07:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Read school shooting which most definitely covers this event. WWGB (talk) 07:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia definition being wrong should not trump facts. The FBI, DOJ and California law enforcement will exclude it from that categoryCarwon (talk) 14:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Based on how it is described so generally on Wiki, I must agree and say leave it. Kennvido (talk) 07:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

This is not a school shooting. The LAPD excluded it as such specifically.14:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

So he goes to a college and three people are shot dead. But it's not a school shooting? Yeah, right. WWGB (talk) 14:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

1) your facts are wrong. Five dead victims shot elsewhere. He was trying to carjack and ended up near the campus where only ONE was killed. that makes it a school shooting? You dont care that the authorities specifically say it was not?Carwon (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)