Talk:Ian Watkins (Lostprophets singer)

Personal attack removed

I removed some POV material, please don't revert back to it until you can supply some sources for the singers specific thoughts about music critics. Some of the stuff I removed was pretty unsalvagable POV. Please see WP:NPOV and WP:CITE for some guidelines that we use for inclusion of neutral material. And plese don't use personal attacks, you can see the policy at WP:NPA. Thanks, Rx StrangeLove 00:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I don't suppose anyone wants to add a picture. DavidJJJ 08:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC) I want to add one but I don't know how to add it yet. I tried a couple of times but failed. Anyone want to show me how to add one? Shrimpster 3:01 PM, 13 November 2006

Birth Year

In the "Behind the Scenes of A Town Called Hypocrisy" documentary (filmed in 2006!), Ian Watkins replies "27" in an age-related conversation. Which makes him born in 1979. So, unless there is a source for that 1977 thing, I think we should stick to 1979. Violethope 18:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I recently asked Ian what year he was born, And he said 1979.

Same goes for Guitarist Mike Lewis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nattie x (talk • contribs) 16:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

The birth year is 1979, who keeps changing it back to 1977? Omightyben 10:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC) Ben

Also to be mentioned, should be the fact that in the Kerrang! 8 page special on lostprophets, it does say that Ian was born in 1977 and that Mike Lewis and him were in the same year. :)

User:simplykay, 30 May 2007

I got proof that Ian Watkins got born in 1979 her [1]

That is not a reliable source. Seraphim♥ ^Whipp 17:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The BBC Wales website says he was born on 1977-07-30.-- JediLofty ^{User ¦ Talk} 15:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Please see my other comment in reference to Ian's name. His DOB IS definately 30/07/77. Thanks (Desirrred (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)).

Musicians and actors always lie about their ages. They usually shave 2 or 3 years off. Of course it's getting harder to do this in the Internet age and the truth will always out. Looking at him, wrinkles wise, I would say it isn't hard to believe that he is 35 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.179.184 (talk) 21:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

4 A.M. and Always Always

It hasn't said ANYWHERE that the songs were written about Fearne Cotton. It wasn't even stated anywhere officially that Ian or Fearne were dating. However, Ian did have a long and solid relationship with Marissa Festa (according to his first myspace in 2003). I'm pretty sure that they are more about her not of Fearne.

Formality and tone

The childish prattle that keeps being added to this article needs to be stopped. This is an encyclopedia, not a teenage blog page. TomGreen 11:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoever keeps changing the DOB to 1979 and adding info relating to Ian's private life (who he's supposedly "dating") based on rumour and speculation and what others put on their own internet pages, stop now. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.74.75 ([[User talk:{[[User:82.14.74.75}|82.14.74.75}]] ([[User talk:82.14.74.75}|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/82.14.74.75}|contribs]] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=82.14.74.75}

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Telling people not to edit this page isn't very productive. Anyone can edit wikipedia. Granted, inserting information based on speculation and rumour is NOT appropriate for a biography. However, information from reliable media coverage IS acceptable, which is exactly what I have tried to do, using sources to back up any questionable information. Can the media report things wrongly? Of course they can, but the media coverage is what we have to go on. If Ian was address the controversial information directly then we would include that in this article.

The rumour about Ian dating Ivy Levan might be true or it might not be; it's not my place to have an opinion. Let's imagine he's not dating Ivy. Now let's imagine he's dating someone else called Apple (fictional person). Now imagine that his wikipedia entry says he's dating Ivy Levan and there's no reference for it and Apple reads that incorrect information. That's pretty hurtful...

What people have to remember when editing an article about a living person, is that all questionable and controversial edits need to be backed up by references to prove that the information is reliable and not original research.

Seraphim ^Whipp 23:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly what has recently happened due to internet bs and chit chat. I'm "Apple" btw :( (Desirrred (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC))

Kerslake or Carslick

A variety of editors have switched his name between "Ian David Carslick Watkins" and "Ian David Kerslake Watkins". Can we find a reliable source that can decide this one way or the other? -- JediLofty ^{User ¦ Talk} 15:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a good friend of Ian's and I can assure you his name IS Ian David Karslake Watkins and his DOB is 30/07/1977. The only reason I can think that people are mistaken on the spelling of Karslake is that a few years ago Lee and Ian were asked questions about each other in an interview and Lee incorrectly spelt the name or the magazine did. Trust me my info is extremely reliable (Desirrred (talk) 08:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)).

Hes born at 19 December 1985, he isnt so a old idiot.Unbekannte Spezies (talk) 17:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Lostprophets are not a boyband.

Nor is Ian's Genre "Pop punk". 91.111.13.35 (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Protect, protect, protect.

I've lodged a protection request for this page, given recent events doktorb _words^deeds 10:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I might post on ANI asking for a quick protect.. Яehevkor ✉ 10:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I did consider it first thing this morning, but I didn't think a couple of IP's with a handful of edits was quite enough at that point. Perhaps I should have pre-empted. --wintonian ^talk 19:18, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

It was only likely to get worse. And especially now the story has become even more troubling.. Яehevkor ✉ 19:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 December 2012

I want to put in an edit request for the wikipedia entry of Ian Watkins, Lostprophets lead vocalist.

The page should not be vandalised and edited by stupid kids. Mikey2201 (talk) 10:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

It has now been protected by those using new accounts or editing without an account. Bencherlite^Talk 10:30, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I watched Lostprophets live last month and I do not believe that he would do something like this. I know this a new account but I am a long time fan of Lostprophets. Would you give me access to keep this post accurate at all times? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikey2201 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Message re WP:AUTOCONFIRMED on your talk page. Bencherlite^Talk 11:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

"I watched Lostprophets live last month and I do not believe that he would do something like this." oh wow man, you need to contact the police with this vital information. ẈỄ'ḸḼ ṪḜḀṘ ỶƠṴṜ ṠǾṸḶ ḀṖẤṘṮ... Ǐ Đŏ Ñőť Ŗëșρθ₦ḏ Ẁ€ḷḹ Тό Ḉṟḭṭịḉḯṧṃ 13:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

is there ANYWAY we can appeal the normal rules of this site and get this comment added to the article on the basis its one of the best things i have read on the internet?

issue with lost profets page not linking to here and remboval of Mr Watkins from that page...

Band Members Change? (page vandalised?) (I copied this from my post on the Lostprofets page)

Hi, Ian Watkins is listed as a former band member and the link to his personal wiki page has been removed. This is all in the band membership section. I am assuming this has been done by someone following the abuse claim, unless he has left the band due to the claim (not on the news if he has) Can someone rectify or clarify this this before the page gets locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missannafjmorris (talk • contribs) 11:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

That has now been fixed; you don't need to make the same request in multiple locations. Bencherlite^Talk 11:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Old rumours and allegations

Since when did it become acceptable to insert rumours and allegations sourced to tabloids and gossip sites into biographies of living people? It is irrelevant that you say that they are false, or that you add a note that the allegations were officially denied, particularly when your wording undermines that denial. The allegations are tabloid trash and have no place in a biographical article in an encyclopaedia. Bencherlite^Talk 13:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

These allegations have appeared in reliable sources, not just 'tabloid trash', see [2]. WP:BLPCRIME does not prevent including these accusations. Zarcadia (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Different story entirely. You will notice that when I semi-protected the article earlier and deleted about 50 edits from the page history for violating WP:BLP I did not remove the child sex offence charges. Check the edit history for what I've recently removed, though. Bencherlite^Talk 13:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I see. I thought this was referring to the allegations being reported today. I think you were right to remove what you did, gossip sites don't count as RS. Zarcadia (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 January 2013

2. Would you please change: "On 31 December he appeared via video link from Parc Prison, Bridgend at Cardiff Crown Court along side two unnamed females and was remanded in custody until 11 March 2013."

To: "On 31 December he appeared via video link from Parc Prison, Bridgend at Cardiff Crown Court alongside [redacted, see below] (the identity of whom had not previously been disclosed to the public) and Watkins was remanded in custody until 11 March 2013."

3. The suggested changes made to the above posting (i.e. the names of two women who have been charged with similar offences to those faced by Watkins) were disclosed by the Court on their website (www.thelawpages.com). Furthermore, the information is available to anyone who wishes to conduct a search on the website using the date of the hearing and Watkins' surname.

Justice4Believers (talk) 11:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The identity of his co-accused is not important enough, in my view, to warrant inclusion in a biographical article about Watkins. In any event, if the BBC News source says they cannot be named for legal reasons, then the fact that their names were included on the Cardiff Crown Court daily list isn't a good enough reason to thwart that ruling. Such rulings are only made when there is a good reason for them, so I've also removed their names from your post. Bencherlite^Talk 12:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)