Talk:Owl City

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Edit?

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not a fan of how in the album sections, there are mini paragraphs/ sentences about the recent stuff, as if people are too lazy to put together a real section about a certain time period or album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.149.220.238 (talk) 01:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 April 2012

On April 17, a new Owl City song "Dementia" featuring Mark Hoppus surfaced on HitFix.com. With the promise of a new Owl City record in 2012, the track could be the first single from the album.

Katie, a princess (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)katie, a princess

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I'm not clear on what specific text you'd like added to the article. If you have specific text to propose (such as "Please add this text (X) to the article at this place (Y)"), feel free to re-enable the requested edit template. Thanks!   — Jess· Δ♥ 00:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

List or prose?

The {{prose}} maintenance tag tells us that the article is in list format. This I guess would be true, as the style of the article really only lists dates and tells what happened on that date. However, I actually think that would be easier to navigate in an article like this. And in fact, the article is doing better in terms of prose. Really, it is prose, its just divided into short paragraphs by date. I removed the maintenance tag for this reason. --Michaelzeng7 (talk - contribs) 16:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

List also relates to information submitted in short, disjointed sections. Things like the "On January 2, 2012" and below that. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, I read Wikipedia:Proseline. Told me everything. --Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Non-free content

I have tagged the article with {{non-free}}, as there are at least three issues with non-free content that have to be looked into before this can be ready for good article status.

1. As per non-free content criterion 10c, each usage of non-free content requires a separate, specific rationale. This rationale should detail what the media is adding to this article in particular, explain why that needs to be shown, and tie it in to the article. Many of these samples lack attempts at rationales for this usage, nevermind decent ones. See this page for more details.
2. As per non-free content criterion 3b, samples should be of a low quality. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples, music samples should be no longer than 30 seconds/10% of the song (whichever is shorter) and no higher than 64kbps
3. Also, please double check that each sample is really needed. Per criteria 3a and 8, we should use the smallest number of samples we can without compromising the usefulness of the article. Are they really all needed? J Milburn (talk) 15:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

They are not needed and they do violate copyright. I just removed them. If anyone wants to restore them, they should ensure that they do meet the criteria listed above. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Owl City/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheSpecialUser (talk · contribs) 04:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC) Will finish in short time.  — TheSpecialUser ^(TSU) 04:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but this has to be a quick fail. Here is an overview of the problems;

• Lead - it is in a bad condition and needs expansion to summarize the article.
• Refs - they are BARE (not completely filled) as well as few of them are unreliable and few are dead
• Due to lack of ref-standard, I doubt the content as misleading info can also be present. This is just a thought and not a reason to quick fail
• Few claims still require reliable sources as they are completely unsourced.
• Copyediting - The article is not upto the standards of GA and need copyediting from someone experienced

This was a premature nom and the article isn't near to a GA. I'll start my work on the article now. — TheSpecialUser ^(TSU) 06:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a Merge Proposal and Redirect – Move. Please do not modify it.
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request for the Proposal to merge Owl City and Sky Sailing into Adam Young was: Not Done — No Consensus to Merge.

Proposal to merge Owl City and Sky Sailing into Adam Young talk area:
Since Owl City and Sky Sailing aren't musical ensembles and monikers which Young uses when releases his solo phonographic material. I think that the content in the Adam Young and Sky Sailing article can easily be explained in the context of Owl City, which is he is more commonly known as, similar to Snoop Dogg. But I'm still not quite sure so I think this will help open up the discussion. Woofygoodbird (talk) 03:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Neutral - The Adam Young article is currently quite duplicating on this article's content. It needs more information on his personal life, rather than his career. Sky Sailing is short enough to be merged. There's nothing to say that these 2 articles cannot be merged... is there? Michaelzeng7 (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose Young is the primary force behind Owl City, but he's not the band alone. As an individual, he carries on his own musical endeavours. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Notability is not inherited. All of the sources that cite Young always do so in relation to Owl City, so it's only reasonable that his biography and other musical endeavors be merged into one place, in a place where the information is under his most common pseudonym. I don't see the reason behind all these multiple articles that are practically about the same person. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
  • (Just for clarification, the Adam Young page is more about the person himself, as well as saying what other bands he's a part of/has made.) If anything should be moved, it should be the beginning of the"Early Years" section of the Owl City page, which is more fitting to what he's personally done than what the band has done (even though he is the only band member). Sky Sailing should not be merged with Owl City because, even though they share the same person in the band, they're not the same band, and the music is not the same. Skyscape144 (talk) 23:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Michaelzeng7, you're incorrect in stating that "All of the sources that cite Young always do so in relation to Owl City". Most do, but not all. --Walter Görlitz (talk)
    • The Adam Young article has yet to see any sources that do not cite Owl City. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Again, you're not looking hard enough. http://adamrandal.com/ If you would kindly strike-out your statement. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Great, we have one source about Young's photography. The question is whether we can prove his photography is worthy of notice. However, right now, I'll admit I am leaning towards your opinion, so I'll strike my !vote to neutral. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

The real issue is that the collaborations he does are on his own, but the recording he does is as three different entities. That needs to be outlined much more clearly. In other words, the writing and producing credits are in his name while he rarely releases that music as himself. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• I was actually kind of concerned as a lot of reliable sources such Billboard, BBC, The New York Times and Reuters all refer Owl City as a solo artist using a moniker name and not as a musical ensemble:
  • [http://www.billboard.com/news/owl-city-embraces-collaborations-for-midsummer-1007859752.story

**[http://www.billboard.com/news/owl-city-eyes-shooting-star-as-next-single-1007965892.story
**[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10723410
**[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-04-30/entertainment/ct-ott-0430-owl-city-20100430_1_postal-service-shy-show
**[http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/arts/music/21owl.html?_r=0
**[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8478246.stm
**[http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/02/us-owlcity-idUSTRE66157I20100702

Other not-so-reliable sources:

**[http://hamptonroads.com/2011/11/owl-city-takes-synth-pop-road
**[http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/41229/Owl-City-Ocean-Eyes%3A-Deluxe-Edition/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but musical projects such as Era and Enigma are still categorized as musical ensembles as they consist two or more members. If Owl City is a musical project with just a single member, shouldn't he be categorized as a solo artist in Category:One-Man bands and Category: Pseudonymous musicians just like Nash the Slash, That 1 Guy, and Doctor Ross? Even if he has touring members, solo artists (such as Avril Lavigne and Kelly Clarkson) also have their own touring bands, too. And although other solo artists had other different musical projects (such as Brandy Norwood releasing music as Bran'Nu, or Avicii releasing music as Tom Hangs or Tim Berg), those other music projects are merged with their most common article (in this case, Brandy Norwood and Avicii) In that way, solo musical projects such as Owl City, Sky Sailing, and Port Blue could be merged into Adam Young, or his WP:COMMONNAME Owl City. I'm just saying. Woofygoodbird (talk) 17:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Your first ref states: "no longer anything like the iconoclastic solo artist he once was", and the second states "I'd certainly love to work again with some of them and have a handful of new songs on whatever is next that are just done as my own solo kind of thing". http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ is simply misdirected in indicating that Owl City is also known as Young.

In other words, he does both solo work, which is why he has an article as an individual, and he does band things, which is why has has a band. It's like Terry Scott Taylor, who does solo work, and his various bands, Daniel Amos, Lost Dogs, Swirling Eddies and more. And similarly Michael Roe is the only original member of The 77s, but that doesn't make him the entire band. Young does solo work and he has a band called Owl City. The fact that he writes all of the music for Owl City, and and he is the only constant member is not unusual. The fact that the Owl City music is sufficiently different than his solo output is enough reason to keep two articles. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

The articles should merge simply because they are the same person. Owl City is simply a pseudonym for Adam Young, a la City and Colour & Dallas Greene. If anything, they article could be Owl City (Adam Young) or vice versa. It is simply unreasonable to have them separate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.232.16 (talk) 16:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it's better to not be merged. Sky Sailing is not the part of Owl City. It's made by Adam Young, no other relationship with Owl City. No another reason why Sky Sailing must be merged with Owl City. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.50.106 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Support Merge, however, the main article into which these should be merged into should be the Adam Young article. These are his projects and are driven by him, even though there may be supporting members on the sidelines. Absolutely no need for three articles here. GenQuest (talk) 02:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Comment That's an unreasonable request as the band is more well-known than the writer. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

AGAINST MERGE - DO NOT MERGE Owl City and Sky Sailing/Adam Young!! Even though they are all the same person (Owl City isn't a band, it's Adam Young ONLY, no one else) and Sky Sailing is Adam Young ONLY too, he thinks of them as seperate projects therefore so should we as a community. --samcooke343 (talk) 12:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Partial Merge - I agree that Sky Sailing can be merged into this article, but Owl City is Adam's main project, and should be left as is, as there are 2 subpages to Owl City, Owl City Concert Tours and Owl City discography, which compliment the main article by keeping out specifics, but detailing those same specifics, so many people can use them for Work Projects, School projects etc. I also agree that port blue gets merged into Adam Young, as it falls under the same umbrella as Sky Sailing. Merging Owl City and Adam Young together WILL make the article confusing, or lacking in detail of Adam. Good luck guys and gals Jamourous (talk) 08:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - I feel there needs to be a differentiation between the band title of Owl City and the primary contributor. The background of a band would not be an appropriate area to include the biography of this individual and name specific character attributes, such as his insomnia, Asperger's and theological beliefs. DarthBotto _talk•cont 08:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.181.81 (talk)

Keep - Both are notable on their own, so must be kept.HotHat (talk) 05:10, 28 November 2012 UTC)

Against Merging: Owl City is created by Adam Young, as is Sky Sailing, yet whenever he tours he has a band. Therefore, he's not technically a solo artist because other people help him make the sound. The two Projects are different from each other in nature, and therefore need to be treated separately. And in all honesty, some information in this biography needs to be checked out because it's based off of interviews and speculation. I would be careful in making this part of the Owl City or Sky Sailing project biography because it may not be 100% accurate and more damage will be done than good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.19.146.124 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it.
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 12:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request on October 10, 2012

Please update the Midsummer Station section of this page (which is also has the information on what has been happening in the year). Owl City's song, "When Can I See You Again," which is going to be in the upcoming movie "Wreck-It-Ralph," came out around October 5, and it should be included. Skyscape144 (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The article isn't locked so you can add the information (with references) yourself. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:48, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit Reversion on December 23, 2012

Is Adam Young's blog not reliable enough of a source? I see that another edit on this page uses his blog (and only his blog) as a reliable source, and those edits weren't reverted. In my opinion, the reverted edit was just as notable as the earlier kept edits. I would just like clarification on this so I can make sure my next edits won't be confused like this again. -- Skyscape144 (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

There is no confusion. Young's blog is a WP:PRIMARY source. The question is not whether the music exists, but whether it's notable. I can revert others as well. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 January 2013

Daniel Jorgensen

Watchers3 (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I suspect the editor wants the subject added as a group member. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Not an anon. Page isn't protected. Can just do it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Um, yes, the article is currently semi-protected (log), and it is not enough that a user be registered to edit a semi-protected page; s/he must also be autoconfirmed, which usually means the account must be at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits. The OP did not meet the 4-day criteria at the time of the post. Also Mr. Jorgensen is currently listed in the infobox and band members section of the article, so I'm not sure what exactly s/he is asking for with this request. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Sorry for the confusion. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Discography

Discography section missing Of June