Talk:Maize/Archive 4

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Source for other countries where corn=maize?

Currently, the lead says, "known in many English-speaking countries as corn" while the body says that "corn" means maize in the United States. I searched the archives for a discussion about this, and I only found this, where people agreed to "many English-speaking countries" but no source was found. Our current lead has an unsourced claim that (sort of) contradicts a sourced claim in the body. I don't know whether "known in many English-speaking countries as corn" or "known in the United States as corn" is best, but whichever way we go, we should have a source and the lead and body should be consistent. Does anyone have a source for countries other than the U.S. where corn=maize? —Ben Kovitz (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

This gets very tiring. Check the archives before we go through this debate for the 40 or 50th time. U.S., Canada and Australia just off the top of my head. Rmhermen (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if I've given the impression that I'm trying to revive an old debate; that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to fix a present flaw in the article. I did see in the archives that people had said that Canada, Australia, and New Zealand also have corn=maize. It would be nice to include this in the article (probably in the "Words for maize" section) with a source. I've googled a bit for a reliable source, but I haven't found one yet. Do you know of one? (Added bonus: usually once something like this is spelled out and solidly sourced, recurring debates about it slow down or stop.) —Ben Kovitz (talk) 15:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

That has never been the experience here. As an aside, Archive 1 is part of the talk history of Corn, Archives 2 and 3 are parts of the talk history of Maize but earlier parts of the Talk:Maize are only in the history here. Talk:Corn (disambiguation) is not represented here but the earliest parts of all three pages talk history are completely missing. Rmhermen (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

And now I see that archive 2 is only a partial and refactored archive of the period it covers. Rmhermen (talk) 16:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you comfortable doing a history merge?
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 16:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Nutrient content of major staple foods[57]

Could someone please include another column called Human requirement ?

If you mean like the RDA, that is a U.S./Canada system and also varies by age and gender. Rmhermen (talk) 18:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Excellent article

This is one of the best Wikipedia articles I've ever read, and it's on a very important topic too.99.112.157.156 (talk) 17:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Field, Pop and Sweet

These although all are maize or corn they are different. Sweet corn is nor just immature field corn and pop corn is not raised as cattle food. If someone more knowledgable on this topic could add a paragraph it would be hekpful. Nitpyck (talk) 20:31, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The lead section mentions it as does the genetics sections. Is that not sufficient? Rmhermen (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Looking for corn.

Can some one please link me to the corn page, I can't find it. --108.193.165.166 (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

This is the corn page, if you are talking about the vegetable. If you are not talking about that, please specify.Jytdog (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Look for it under Corn. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Google Search Display

The text displayed for the Wikipedia "Maize" page on a Google search reads "MAIZE MAIZE MAIZE MAIZE MAIZE MAIZE MAIZE TAKE IT UP THE BUT YOU MONKEY LOVIN HOMOSEXUAL."

Will someone please do something about this? I have no idea how to remedy it.

149.160.222.63 (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh that is interesting. It is because that is how the page was, when Google cached it -- see here

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_sGbvJ3_cTEJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I don't how to get Google to re-cache it, or how often Google naturally re-caches...Jytdog (talk) 20:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yea should be a auto fix when google updates. 216.81.94.76 (talk) 19:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

It has already fixed itself. Ben Kovitz (talk) 15:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

More counterarguments regarding maize vs. corn

These were inserted in the summary section above, so I moved them here. That section is for succinctly summarizing arguments that have already been made, not for back-and-forth conversation.

That is not the point. The point is that the phrase "corn" is more familiar or common than "maize", as evidenced by the number of internet searches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.75.238.144 (talk) 09:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Note: "Corn" is not just the US usage. It is also the most common usage in other English-speaking countries such as New Zealand, Australia and India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.75.238.144 (talk) 09:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I would like to add New Zealand and Australia to the list of English-speaking countries in which people do not use the word "maize". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.75.238.144 (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

No it isn't. I write professionally for an international audience and I use "corn" without exception. What is your source for this claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.75.238.144 (talk) 09:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

All of these have been addressed above. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Change to "Corn"

1. Popularity Australia, America, New Zealand, etc. all use "Corn". Only the UK uses Maize, and they are starting to say "corn" instead. It is Wikipedia's policy to favor no nation's English as the "most proper", and go by what most people say, which is "corn"
2. More universal There are some phrases that always use "corn" andd not "maize". No one ever says "Sweetmaize", "Popmaize", "Maize syrup", "Maize-on-the-cob", or "I have maize in my poop". "Corn" is more consistent and can be used in all positions without sounding weird.
3. Familiar As someone said above, if you ask for "maize" (even in Britain), people will be confused. Sure, "maize" may be the original Indian name for it, but WP:NAME says to use familiar names (i.e., "Christopher Colombus" (not Cristoforo Colombo), "Water" (not Dihydrogen Monoxide)).
4. Less confusing Most people have never heard of "maize". This can be confusing when doing a Google search for corn. If you see "corn", it's more direct, but if you see "maize" you may not get to the information you are looking for. There are probably corn farmers out there who have been farming this crop their whole lives and have never heard of its "real name".

Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 23:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

• No. Almost everything in the above is wrong - every single part of the first point for example - and has been covered plenty of times before. Let it go. Johnbod (talk) 09:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)