Talk:Turkmens

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Please do not replace the article with unwikified dumps of text grabbed from elsewhere. See Wikipedia:Copyrights and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Thanks. -- Infrogmation 18:07, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Turk-men???

The history of Iraqi Turkmens are not related with Ottoman Empire. They are descendants of Seljuks and Ilkhanates not the Ottomans. The given meaning of Turkmen as "Türk-men" (I am a Türk) is totally absurd. The way to say "I am a Turk" in Turkmen is "Men Türkem", "Men Türküm". In any of the Turkic languages from Siberian Yakut to Balkan Turkish the verb is always at the end of the sentence. The execptions that I know are Gagauz (Moldova) and Karaim (Lithuania).

English dictionaries say the word is from Persian turkmān, "like a Turk". I am going to work on this article this weekend. --Cam 17:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Ruhnama say the word is from turk-iman: türk means core, iman means light. Therefore, TÜRK İMAN, namely Türkmen means “made from light, whose essence is light.” The Türkmen name came to this world in this way.

http://ruhnama.info/ruhnama-en/kitap-htm/s10.htm --Ga1taman 13:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Odd paragraph

Saparmyrat Niyazov

Since October 22, 1993 Saparmyrat Niyazov has used the title Turkmenbashi (Türkmenbaşy), meaning "Leader of all Ethnic Turkmen". In his state Turkmenistan, this is probably largely true. It should be noted, however, that President Niyazov has not to date demonstrated any desire to expand his political suzerainty beyond the borders of Turkmenistan.

Does the above paragraph really belong in this article? Seems inappropriate. SouthernComfort 01:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I say delete it. :) --Khoikhoi 04:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The word "Turkoman" is combination of two words "Turk" and "Koman". Turk means strong and Koman might be corruption of "Cuman". The word "Cuman" might be corruption of word "Chemon" which means Cem, Kem, Kim, Chem, Khem peoples living around the globe. For example Kembojah, Khemr, Kama, Kamio, Kamen, Komnenos, Champas, Chamorro etc etc living as Arabs, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shamans, Christians, Pagans and Muslims in almost all continents of the world. I beleive this word Kem/Cem/Chem takes its name from Biblical "Shem"(son of bibilical and Quranic Noah) being ancestor of Arabs and Hebrews(the most ancient peoples). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.190.49 (talk) 05:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

people or peoples?

Do the Turkmen of central Asia and the Turkmen of Iraq really consider themselves to be part of a single ethnic group? Or do they consider themselves separate groups (admittedly under the larger umbrella of Turkic peoples) with the same name? --Jfruh 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

More radically, shouldn't we split this article? I've controlled ethnologue and it considers their language only adialect of South Azerbaijani, linking the Iraqi Turkmens to the Azeris and not to the Central Asian Turkmens. Also I doubt the two groups have any cultural similarities, also considering that many Iraqi Turkmens are shia, while all the Central Asian Turkmens are Sunni. The only common link is that they are both Turkish people, but this can be said of many. Aldux 17:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

(I'm an outsider editing adding a comment.) The one who added the article above, doesn't have any clue what he/she is talking about. He/she doesn't seem to know the difference between Turkish and Turkic. Turkmens and Turcomans of Iraq are NOT Turks. They are TURKIC peoples. Turks are relatively a young nation, on the other hand the history of Turkmens go back thousands of years. We dug finely worked ivory up in Turkmenistan hand made about 3500 year ago. Turkmens can't possible be Truks.

You have no ıdea eıther. they're all Turks. Turkıc ıs a synonym! But yes, Iraqi Turkmen ıs dıstınct. Half of them ıs sunni though.--Bunifa88 (talk) 21:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Moved info. on Iraqi Turkmen to Iraqi Turkmen

Just so everyone knows, I didn't just blank out the section. Tombseye 16:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Dating

What does AH mean, as in 349 AH? What does it translate to in western time-keeping? What calendaring system is it, Islamic or Baha'i or Saka? 24.186.214.2 01:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

AH is After-Hegira, Muslim time reckoning, when Muhammed fled Mecca for Medina, 622 AD. Chris 07:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Looking at Turkomen after the merge proposal, I thought they seemed like two different batches of people similarly named. Can anyone verify? They could be the same. Chris 07:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

support merge, I checked, same batch of folks. Chris 07:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

support merge, --Ga1taman 13:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

What is so bad about this picture?

What is so bad about this picture that it must need be removed from the article, where it had been happily sitting since April 2005?  --Lambiam 17:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I honestly dont see see anything wrong it. I'm going to restore it since there appear to have been no responses to Lambiam's comment. Khoikhoi 23:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• I honestly don't see anything wrong with the picture. But there is a rather technical problem. It is claimed in the legent that the photo had been taken during 1905-1915. With such bright colors and correct hues it is simply impossible. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

turkmen baloch

I am a baloch of Iran.I have just heard about the turkmen baloch.Can any one tell where do they exist?and do they speak russian>Did any one(local) see them in Turkmenistan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.229.85 (talk) 11:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

"Turkmen" comes from the iranian word torkmand/torkman which in persian means "they became turk" ie they(the iranians of central asia)have been turkified

"Turkmen" comes from the iranian word torkmand/torkman which in persian means "they became turk" ie they(the iranians of central asia)have been turkified "Turkmen" comes from the iranian word torkmand/torkman which in persian means "they became turk" ie they(the iranians of central asia)have been turkified.

john L.Drake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.188.81.84 (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

This user has reapeated this text in many articles. I wrote an answer to the one here,here andhere. I think you need to remove the whole of posts by this one . He also has posted two other blocks of text to many wiki articles. He supports the ethnocentric ideas of persians. Amir.azeri (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Major Ethnic Groups of Iran ( picture is wrong ! )

I wanted to mention to the picture about Major Ethnic Groups of Iran, Turkmens are in a vast area in iran, also azeries and qashqai, the government of iran wants to show that Turkic people in iran are so less, persian and kurds are more ! --Snake co1 (talk) 07:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Turkmen People representatives in the infobox

Please take a look at the portraits in the top right corner of "Azerbaijani people" (or any other good article about an ethnicity). It shows a representative selection of ethnic faces, not just the current president. Yceren Loq (talk) 22:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Yörük = Hyrcanae?

The article claims that the Turkish term "Yörük" used for Turkish nomadic or semi-nomadic groups in Anatolia and Balkans has phonetic variations Iirk, Iyierk, Hiirk, Hirkan, Hircanae, Hyrkan and Hyrcanae. This information is quoted from a Russian publication, which is unaccessible online and the name Hyrcania was, furthermore, the ancient name of a region between current Iran and Turkmenistan, whereas the etymology of the word "Yörük" is generally thought to be derived from the Turkish verb "yürümek" (to walk). http://books.google.cz/books?id=q_189OeDwSMC&pg=PA859&lpg=PA859&dq=Yörük Is there any further evidence for the existence of those phonetic variations mentioned in the article? Ayazid (talk) 17:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Siktirgitir

Instead of calling other editors ignorant and edit warring, Siktirgitir should bring sources to support his opinions. The referenced information he is changing does not state parthian. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Kansas Bear is correct on all points. Edward321 (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

concering parthian

I seems as I told before on your site that you are little informed, if you read barthold turkestan down to mongol invasion, rene grousse, steppe empires, cambrigde history of iran volume 3, The Cambridge History of Iran Volume 3: The Seleucid, Parthian and Sasanid Periods, Part 1 ,The Cambridge History of Iran Volume 3: The Seleucid, Parthian and Sasanid Periods, Part 2 ,

also in swedish, bra böckers världs historia, which means good books world history its like a encylopedia of the world history of mankind,

also the bonniers världs historia del 3, bonniers world history part 3 the parthians and sassanid era in iran, in swedish,

I have tones of references, its just some of I have read, I have gumaliev, wilhem radloff, thomsen, otto von maenschlefen,

I dont remember their books,

ce bosworth, bosworth american historian or english , unesco historical background of central asia, part 2 or three I dont clear remember,

peter golden, different books, faruk sumer , turkmenler oghuzlar book, the problem is that I dont remember all the books entitlements,

Peter golden is a major in iran and turkic and middle eastern history,

I have read minorsky, but he is not a good source, you feel more stupid than smart when you come out reading him,

ariminus vambery the jewish hungary , traveles thruth central asia or something the book was called,

I got reference from cambrigde history of iran volume 7 from nadir shah to the islamic republic, a statistics showing the rapid developent of irans economy from irans central bank and IMF , internationl monetary fund,

I have lots of lots of more the the bra böckers enclyocpedia , the whole bonniers, world history encholpedia, whole cambrigde of iran volumes , thought I dont remember everything, It was some years ago, the uzbek historian baya something, he died some years ago, and tatar valid tokan or something dont remember his name either, I have many many more source so please dont say I dont have any source, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siktirgitir (talk • contribs) 23:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Since you are so informed, you should know that simply stating title of books and names of historians is not proof of anything. I see no page numbers with these book titles nor quotes from these books. Therefore, you have presented nothing that supports your opinion. Continued remarks directed at other editors will be reported and can result in you being blocked. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:58, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The historian and books I mentioned is actuall books I have read, as I said on your page I dont know how to add source, and further notice, I havent seen at wikipedia, state pages of books, but if you want that , Ill do it to , you only make wikipedia a worse tool of knowlegde by removing , you are not adding any information, besides as I said you are little informed, since you didnt even know were the parthians lived, to me as a historian its a big error, anyhow, good luck by keeping wikipeida free from false information, and spreading false knowlegde, you are a hero to mankind, I admire your courage, If wikipedia had more talented like you than we would need no books, keep it up, --Siktirgitir (talk) 22:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC)siktirgitir

vandalism by kansans bear edward321 and vsmith

the tukmen ethnoloue report clearly reports as I have pointed out , they havent even checked it, its so stupid and ignorant, please can someone help me to this ignorant gentleman to see the true , they havent even checked the source and denies the source , how can you by so blind, please help other users, I dont have any other reverts since they have warned me because I said edward321 was deranged because he didnt read the source , I still hold to my opinion that the guy isnt fully aware of the source and there for not fully functional, as to vsmith and kansans bear seems to take sides and dont see the matter from an objective side, I have read the ethnologue report before and just clicked at the link and it confired what I edited , how can people be so blind, please someone with moral can they help me edit turkmen people article,