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	Thanks for cleaning up the mass move vandalism from today. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 18:54, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bad coauthors fix

Hi, re this edit, two problems: (i) you simply renamed |coauthors=Christina Colvin, Janet Cooper, N.H. Cooper, P.D.A. Harvey, Marjorie Hollings, Judith Hook, Mary Jessup, Mary D. Lobel, J.F.A. Mason, B.S. Trinder, Hilary Turner to |author2=Christina Colvin, Janet Cooper, N.H. Cooper, P.D.A. Harvey, Marjorie Hollings, Judith Hook, Mary Jessup, Mary D. Lobel, J.F.A. Mason, B.S. Trinder, Hilary Turner without splitting out the different authors; (ii) you changed |coauthors=[[Nikolaus Pevsner|Pevsner, Nikolaus]] to |authorlink=[[Nikolaus Pevsner|Pevsner, Nikolaus]] which is just plain wrong considering that the template has |author=Sherwood, Jennifer. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that one got away from me. Thank you for catching and fixing those.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Harriet Martineau

could you please check Harriet Martimeau page - are the refs. OK? Thanks so much Mike Reed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.69.75 (talk) 10:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I made some tweaks; the Desmond & Moore 1991 {{harvnb}} reference is missing its matching citation.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:33, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

THanks for your help. Plesae check refs. for the Martineau family page. THanks again mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.69.75 (talk) 10:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of shipwrecks

Pleas be aware that all references to The Times should be called from {{Cite newspaper The Times}} and nor from {{Cite News}}. Mjroots (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re: List of shipwrecks in 1920, right? I am not the editor who is choosing to use either {{cite newspaper The Times}} or {{cite news}}. My current work centers solely on removing or modifying unrecognized parameters where they exist in CS1 templates. Hence the modification to the CS1 template {{cite news}}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:07, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that, but the use of the correct template for that source doesn't cause CS1 errors. Mjroots (talk) 21:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Martineau

Dear Trappist Could you please check the refs. for 2 pages Martineau family page and Harriet Martineau page Thanks so much mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.69.75 (talk) 08:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked Martineau family.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Errant AWB edit on David Headley

The attempted removal of |note= in this edit was incomplete, leaving behind an unnamed parameter. Nice work on 99% of these edits; I'm sure my error rate is higher than yours. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another run for Monkbot 1?

In perusing the first page of the deprecated parameter category, I'm seeing a lot of month/year pairs like the one in 1969 South American Rugby Championship. I don't know how or if Monkbot 1 missed those during its first run, but maybe it's time for another run through the category. Interested? – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:11, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I ran Monkbot task 1 just a week ago. I don't know why some pages don't get fixed.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I looked through User:Trappist_the_monk/CS1_deprecated_parameters_(AWB) and did not see a regex that would find an empty |date=, followed by a normal |month=, followed by a normal |year= (the combination I see in the above linked article). I am not a regex expert by any means, but I looked carefully at each one, and I didn't find that combination.

Which line of code finds and fixes this?

|date        = 
|month       = December
|year        =1969

I'm sure I'm just not seeing it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. You aren't seeing it because it isn't there to be seen.

When I'm done with fiddling about in Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters, I'll look at making that fix to Monkbot task 1. Sometime today or this weekend I expect. Right now, I have two computers, one running a script that is finding unknown parameters that I then add to the script on the other computer. I don't want to interrupt that.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered how you were doing that work so efficiently. That explains a lot. Nice work on that category, by the way. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the month/year fixing code disappeared in this edit (scroll to the bottom of the changes). – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There used to be separate regexes for {{citation}} and for the group of Module:Citation/CS1-supported {{cite xxx}} templates. That change added |[Cc]itation)[^}]+ to the regexes for the {{cite xxx}} templates and so made all that stuff at the bottom superfluous.

The case where a citation has an empty |day= or |date= parameter is and has been ignored by the month/year and year/month regexes since this change (line 205 et seq). At the time, Task 1 would only fix adjacent date/month/year parameters so the change prevented a match when month and year were adjacent but day/date were off somewhere else.

The date/month/year regexes no longer require adjacency but day/date requires a value. These are the right regexes to handle the empty day/date case because the replacement overwrites the existing day/date parameter which won't happen correctly with the month/year regexes.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful with AWB edits

Hi Trappist the monk. Please be a little more careful when using AWB. In this instance, you replaced the paper titles in two citations with the meeting titles. The latter can be listed separately as "booktitle" or "series", as appropriate. Thanks, WolfmanSF (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am being careful. Those two citations caused Unknown parameter error messages and caused the page to be categorized into Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters and had done since Citation bot 1 changed one |title= in each citation to |DUPLICATE_title= even though that parameter is not recognized by Module:Citation/CS1. The error messages have been generally visible since this edit to Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration on 13 April 2013, so these error messages have been visible to readers since the Citation bot 1 edit on 12 March 2014.

The edit that I did accomplished what it was intended to do. Editors pretty much seem to ignore the red error messages near the rendered CS1 citations. Additionally, editors don't seem to notice when a citation doesn't display as intended. For example, when the two citations were added to the article at this edit, both of the book and chapter titles were placed in |title= parameters. Because there are two parameters with the same name, the Mediawiki parser hands the last encountered parameter to the citation template. The chapter title has been hidden since 11 August 2012.

So, here I come and abruptly change the citation. Apparently it is only that action that has gotten an involved editor (you), who has knowledge of the source and the article, to take a look and make the citation render correctly. I think that that is a good and proper outcome.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The good outcome may have been fortuitous, since I only added the page to my watch list 9 days previously. I suspect most editors would not bother to check an AWB edit. Since a case of duplicate titles is likely to require individual attention to resolve, I think it might be best that AWB not be used to eliminate them. Perhaps it would be better for flagged errors of this type to be categorized or listed separately. WolfmanSF (talk) 07:45, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template help

Hi. I wonder if you could tell me what I'm doing wrong with citation 87 here. I initially used the same template format I've used many times for years and have since tweaked it to no avail; I keep getting the red "text...ignored" gobbledygook. Maybe I'm just really stupid today, but I can't find what's wrong. Rivertorch (talk) 16:01, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

|url=http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-11-03-3668149862_x.htm

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Like this. AFAIK the {{cite news}} template has never accepted positional parameters, only named parameters. The display of an error message is a recent (last year or so) development. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm I had the feeling it was something blindingly obvious that I just somehow wasn't seeing. Thank you! Rivertorch (talk) 13:14, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Month

I regularly see you clearing up references containing the deprecated |month= parameter.

Editors using this tool are adding to your work as still creates references with the |month= parameter.

I have no idea how to alert the creator of that tool so it can be re-configured to emit stuff using the |date= parameter. -- 79.67.241.76 (talk) 15:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According the this conversation, that tool is the work of User:Diberri who hasn't been active on Wikipedia since December 2013.

According to tools.wmflabs.org the tool is maintained by Boghog who may be Wikipedia Editor Boghog. You might query that editor about getting the tool updated.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Empty date.

I regularly see you removing empty |date= parameters from references. In many cases it's there to remind editors that the publication date has yet to be filled in.

Removing it removes that clue. Do you remove it only where the publication date cannot be determined, or do you remove all empty |date= parameters? -- 79.67.241.76 (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, right now Monkbot is running Task 1c which, as part of the things it does to fix citations with |day= and |month= parameters, is to remove move empty |date=, |day=, |month=, and |year= parameters. The primary reason for this removal is selfish: it makes subsequent steps in the repair process simpler and faster when these parameters aren't lying around doing nothing.

I'm less sanguine about the benefits of leaving empty parameters in a citation as a reminder. These empty parameters are for the most part hidden from view. If editors in general are ignoring red error message text that is visible to all readers, I see no evidence that they will be paying any attention to empty parameters in CS1 templates. I'd like to think that this is not really the case, but I would be deluding myself.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Trappist You have been very helpful before - could you please check the refs for "Lupton family" page Thanks so much Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.196.112 (talk) 04:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Me agin, Could you please check the page - Mary, Princess Royal, Countess of Harewood Thanks Mike

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