Talk:Saqaliba

from which the English word slave is also derived

i can't see why this is important and should be in the article, since slavs and saqaliba are therms from the common era to middle ages, when english language did not exist. not even the old english language. maybe slave is a celtic word? or frankish? and through which process slave derived from slav. some etymology link maybe?Edi1kanobi (talk) 19:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

You can see the etymology in the OED, which is cited in the text. The English word slave comes from OFrench esclave, from Med. Latin sclavus, from Byz. Greek σκλάβος. None of this is remotely controversial; that the Byzantines thought the Slavs were slaves is a regrettable (and indeed deplorable) fact, but it is a fact.

As for its relevance to the article: this is an article about an Arabic word for slave derived from the same Greek word; the English association is a fact of minor but not nonvaluable illustrative importance. -Senori (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

read about macedonian sclavinia. it was a state with kings. hacon and pribond. that is not what slaves have. slaves have nothing. and if they were slaves why did they attack and pillage much of Byzantium cities? shouldn't they be obidient? the word comes from slava-fame. take byzantine sources with caution. none of it means absolute thruth. it's just one way of looking at the things.Edi1kanobi (talk) 23:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

and once again scientists and etymologyst got it all wrong. sclavinoi, siklab or saqaliba means saka libi which roughly translates reads: saka people. read a bit about saka people. the first rulling class of persia. this article has nothing to do with slavery and the corrupt ways the english language picked up the words from other languages. when slavs(not slaves) had their literacy and a state, english people were still talking in vulgar french language.77.28.218.181 (talk) 21:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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The article says it's a term for "Soldiers of fortune from western and eastern Europe", but a Google search turned up nothing.Senori 02:24, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

• Note: the above comment was removed by user 216.165.38.142, who also added the comment below. — [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker দ (talk)]] 03:46, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

To find the definition, Source: "A History of the Arab Peoples" Albert Hourani page 189. Not everything can be found on the internet.

• Keep and make it a stub. However, I do not appreciate anon's act of removing comments. Expanding the article would have been more appropriate - Skysmith 10:07, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: this seems real, but it would be nice if somebody could verify this and expand the article. Jeltz 12:03, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)
• It's misspelled for Saqaliba - which I've now moved it to, with expansion. - Mustafaa 14:57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, with spelling fix. But it should really be expanded. Katefan0 19:34, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep Saqaliba. I added the stub template. Paul August ☎ 23:34, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion

Dbachmann's deletion

Reverted. The fact that russians cannot make chinese from japanese does not invalidate the fact that arabs could not make russians from poles. Not to say that this observation is important in the article's context. `'mikka (t) 17:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

thus in the Serb lands?

Ibrahim ibn Yaqub placed the people of "Saqalib" in the mountainous regions of Central Balkans, west of the Bulgarians and east from the "other Slavs" (Croats), thus in the Serb lands. The Saqalib had the reputation of being "the most courageous and violent".[2]

You have forgotten the Slovens men! And Ibrahim ibn Yaqub means surely not just Serb lands. That´s includes also Croat land!--Zrin22 (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

west from bulgarians and east from the other slavs could only mean Macedonia. there are no other slavs west from slovenia and bosnia and serbia.89.205.2.29 (talk) 22:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong date

"Theophanes mentions that the Umayyad caliph Muawiyah I settled a whole army of 5,000 Slavic mercenaries in Syria in the 660s." In 660s arabic muslim Ummayyad caliph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.23.10.156 (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Artanians

This term is cited as not fully explained in the article text, yet surely this is a reference to Carantanians, or derived from the name of the territory known as Carantania - inhabitants of the borderlands of present-day Northern Slovenia, Croatia and Austria in the period of the early Slavic settlement. This population would have been multi-ethnic, consisting not solely of Slavic tribes, but also remnants of the many earlier peoples who 'passed through' this territory during the Late Roman and Migration Periods, e.g. Sarmatians, Avars, Bulgars, Goths and groups from other Germanic tribes. 'Illyrians' (i.e. Albanians) and Greeks would almost certainly have featured among the slave population: the Arab slavers would have sought their human goods from all along the northern coasts of the Mediterranean, the Adriatic and the Aegean and their many islands. 86.162.246.47 (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

The term Saqaliba refers to ALL Europeans (Balkans, Italy, Iberia - Spain and Portugal, France, Britain, Ireland...) captured in wars or in peace from European coasts

Te word refers not only to Balkan Slavs but also to other Europeans who were kidnapped by slave traders, or captured in war periods, even from as far north as Iceland.

Here is the resource: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/history/conant/mushin1998. It is very well referenced — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.242.0 (talk) 20:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Context?

When did this practice occur? During certain dynasties or throughout the period of the whole Ottoman Empire? Was it done by Arab countries outside of the Empire? Right now, while descriptive, there is no historical context that even provides a century when this practice occurred. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 17:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Origin of term

rv'd edit containing the following:

Arab word Saqaliba could also come from much older Persian therm Saka. Saka or Saqaliba are known to babylonians as Gomer or Cimmerians or Celts.

No source listed, no Google hits. Needs a source. -Senori (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2014 (UTC)