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Rudolf Steiner and Speech & Drama

The problem with the editing of my entries, it that it not sufficiently clear to the viewer/reader that Steiner developed quite a specific, comprehensive training of the actor. By concluding the entry with the reference to Michael Chekhov, the impression is left that we must turn to Chekhov for the actor training, but this is a offshoot and not the complete picture. A better example of a anthroposophically trained performer would be Mechthild Harkness. Significant other actors in The English speaking world who have striven to work out of Steiner's speech and drama impulse include Peter & Barbara Bridgmont.(Hardy456 (talk) 22:02, 23 December 2013 (UTC))

We need to find WP:Reliable sources to establish this. These are few and far between on this subject. HGilbert (talk) 23:43, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

One would imagine primary sources for Steiner would be texts produced by him. If you take the time to read the "Speech & Drama lectures" ISNB 0880101421, it is quite clear his and Marie Steiner's approach. For secondary literature, there is Hans Pusch "A New Kind of Actor" ISBN 09229979729, then a very interesting article "Experiences in the Realm of Dramatic Art" by Gottfried Haas-Berkow in A Man Before Others ISBN 18855840073. Then more recently the Anderson article already cited on the page.

For another perspective on Chekhov & Steiner you could look at Gilmer, Jane Margaret. "Michael Chekhov's Imagination of the Creative Word and the question of its integration into his future theatre." Theatre, Dance and Performance Training 4.2 (2013): 204-218. (Hardy456 (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardy456 (talk • contribs)

Notification of edit war

Hi there-- I saw that you reverted some content that User:58.179.199.115 made to the article Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. However, after you did so, the same user re-added the information. It was then reverted again by User:DoctorKubla. The content was then added yet again by a different user, User:116.240.147.221. The exact same content was added by both users. If it is the same person(s) who added the content, then they broke the three revert rule.

Thanks, Newyorkadam (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Both IP addresses are on the same network in Australia, but I don't know that we can prove anything... HGilbert (talk) 04:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit to Arete Article

Hello, I'm Resposito. You recently undid one of the changes I made to the Arete article. The article stated that Arete's sister was Harmonia, while her sister is actually Homonoia, who is and entirely different goddess. Harmonia is the daughter Ares and Aphrodite, while Homonoia is the daughter of Soter and Praxidike. Both Harmonia and Homonoia are goddesses of concord and their names are spelled similar, yet they are different. I can see why you would think I was mistaken, and I appreciate you taking the time to let me know you undid my edit! Thanks. Respositob (talk) 18:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I realized that this was a legitimate edit and reverted my own changes. Sorry for the confusion, and keep up the good work. HGilbert (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

AN/I discussion regarding Providence (religious movement)

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive833#Large amount of properly sourced content is being continually deleted from Providence Religious Movement Article. ... Since you previously responded in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 147#Use of unverified or planted references in article about Jung Myung Seok, I thought your consideration of the case would be of value. Sam Sailor ^Sing 11:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)Template:Z48

About your Notice

Hello,

Why do you change my Editing? I think it is Vandalism if you change proper editing or Information in Wikipedia.
-> Kindergarten is a deutsch (german) Word and may not be used in english. It is like I put the iranian Word
"Mahde Kudak" (Kidsgarden) in to english and say: children go to Mahde Kudak.
-> Kidsgarden is an american Word and is proper for that Place and usage in english Language.
Please don't change my editing unless you are really shure that the Information is wrong. Farsidan 28/03/2014

I can understand why you might think this, but the word Kindergarten is a loan word in English. English does this a lot; see List of English words of Persian origin. HGilbert (talk) 16:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Integrative Oncology?

Hgilbert hi

Further to our editing interaction at Eurythmy I just wanted to check you agreed that it was not good asserting that euryhtmy movements "have been proven to be helpful for many children's ailments"[1] sourced to a book chapter written by anthroposophists, in a book on "Integrative oncology" co-edited by Andrew Weil. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 12:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I had never heard of Andrew Weil before, but looked into the Integrative Oncology book further on your recommendation above...it is published by Oxford University Press. Wikipedia:RS#Scholarship states clearly that such presses are sufficient to establish reliability. What is the problem? HGilbert (talk) 12:20, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi Clean Copy, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Why Husserl?

I felt the connection being made in the article[2] between Steiner and Husserl somewhat questionable, but have now via an American newsletter[3] come upon the verse "Why does the soul of Man..." from the German that Steiner had inscribed in a copy of Knowledge of the Higher Worlds, 1918. (You may know of this.) It may not be citable in that article or others but it makes sense to me. The comment touches on the practical difficulties of putting Steiner's thoughts into his own German language (cp. using words from Zimmermann and Dilthey), before even beginning to translate Steiner into English or other languages, and trying to effect conceptual equivalence verbally (cp. Latin versions of Biblical Greek or credal statements). How right he was to propose putting "Spiritual Activity" in the title for English language readers, instead of "Freedom". The newsletter may not be citable in that article or others but it makes sense to me. Couldn't find Hicks's article though. Cheers! Qexigator (talk) 21:28, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Afterthought: if in modern usage "visual arts" extends to portrait and other photography, does it include such artful fabrications as the Cottingley Fairies which Conan Doyle promoted in good faith?[4] Thus the flexibility of words and phrases has a malleability which could be regarded as a branch of a plastic art. Perhaps in a way that's one of the things Steiner was getting at, and which the House of the Word, and the statue, were for: to show that the beings that approach must judge themselves in matters of truthfulness, whether in philosophy (Husserl's or any other), aesthetics, physics and chemistry, astronomy, or otherwise.[5] Cheers! Qexigator (talk) 10:39, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Paintings falsify reality, too, as does literature; thus Plato's critique of all art.HGilbert (talk) 12:36, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

εικών as in Iconoclasm. Could remind one of "Man as a Picture of the Living Spirit" (London, 2nd September, 1923), Trans.George Adams[6] Ich bin nur Bild davon.<-->I am but a picture of it (also included in "Verses and Meditations", published with Adams's introduction and notes, London, 1961). For "bild" one could compare such as [7] "Für das Verständnis anthroposophischer Meditation ist die Gliederung des gewöhnlichen Erkennens in vier Stufen wesentlich. Rudolf Steiner unterschied 1. den Gegenstand, der sinnlich wahrgenommen wird; 2. das Bild, das man sich vom Gegenstand während das Wahrnehmens macht und das man danach erinnern kann; 3. den Begriff, der die Gesetzmäßigkeit des Gegenstandes verständlich macht; und 4. das Ich, ohne dessen wahrnehmende, bildschaffende, erinnernde und beurteilende Tätigkeit kein Erkennen zustande käme [1 = Rudolf Steiner: Die Stufen der höheren Erkenntnis. GA 12, Dornach 1979.] . Im gewöhnlichen Bewusstsein wird nur der sinnlich wahrgenommene Gegenstand vollwach erlebt." Not quite what Husserl and others had in mind but nearer to Goethe, perhaps. Qexigator (talk) 07:14, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Move request of Melancholia

A discussion is taking place on the title of this article at Talk:Melancholia#Requested_move. All input welcome. Thank you. ^walk victor falk ^talk 11:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Po -F/ -SA

Yes, revision 15:10, 26 June[8] succinctly makes this important point (-heit / -dom), an instance of the linguistic-cultural diversities which can enrich or Babel-lke confound understanding among nations and peoples. Also, an alert reader will notice the date of 1916, and the armed conflict at the time between certain states under German-speaking governments and others under English-speaking, as well as the neutrals such as Switzerland. Qexigator (talk) 20:34, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Please advise: How does one use that "message" device? Qexigator (talk) 09:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Rudolf Steiner, fixing links

May need a further fix[9], now seeing stray " ] " and need to get to ref in Lantern for a, to cap. 2 The Story of My Life for b, and to cap. 14 for c - and note ref. for Schroer. Qexigator (talk) 06:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you kidding me?

You reverted a direct reference to a famous 18th-century etiquette guide as an unreliable source? [10] Wnt (talk) 05:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes. It is surely a reliable source on 18th-century etiquette but the theory of temperaments is pretty far from its area of expertise. HGilbert (talk) 10:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

HGilbert

What do you think of today's (August 10 2014)? I have gone for streamlining, trimming, and trying to bring out the forward movement of the argument. But I have only worked on Part I.Thewikibeagles (talk) 14:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)2601:6:6380:756:6233:4BFF:FE19:6E7 (talk) 09:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll have a look. HGilbert (talk) 09:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Amendment request concerning you

I have named you as a user affected by this Amendment request. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 04:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)