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MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Bronisław Urbański ==
-Listen carefully. The article on Urbanski started out good, but you have been ''grotesquely inflating'' it. It is now ''bloated'' and ''ugly'' and ''unintelligible''. You begin the article with a ''quote from Ovid''. That's completely unacceptable. This is not supposed to be an obituary or a paean or a hagiography, it's supposed to be a neutral article.
-This is my formal suggestion that you revert your own reversion of my changes. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 11:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
-:Hi there. Sadly, we can't copy it "as is" because it's in English and the Polish Wikipedia is, you guessed it, in Polish. It would have to be translated first. Secondly, seeing it's your first article, there's a couple of points you might want to bear in mind for the future:
-* Check [[WP:SOURCE]] to learn what counts as a reliable source when writing articles (and be sure to check [[WP:CIRCULAR]] as well). In short, Wikipedia should not be used as a source for itself. Plus, there's really no need to add a citation to prove that Dederkaly Battalion is called Batalion Dederkały in Polish. On the other hand, readers would expect the source to actually mention that Urbański served with the battalion, or that he served as a [[plutonowy]]. Which it doesn't. Same for sourcing the name of the [[Axis]] instead of sourcing the fact that Urbański fought in the Operation Vulcan, and perhaps other in-line citations as well
-* Speaking of [[WP:MOSLINK|linking]], you shouldn't link to relevant Wikipedia articles through footnotes, simple <nowiki>[[wikilink]]</nowiki> in the body of the text is more than enough.
-* When speaking of reliable sources, it's usually better to trim down articles, but keep them well-sourced, than to write all you know on the topic and risk someone else coming and trimming it down anyway. The result would be the same, except for the amount of work you put into articles that in the end get shortened to several sourced sentences - or deleted altogether. In other words, Wikipedia is not about what you know, or about what is true, or about what has happened. It's about what reliable secondary sources say happened.
-* Also, {{tl|Cite book}} and {{tl|Cite web}} templates are quite handy in keeping your references sorted and nicely-formatted. If you feel like it you can even separate bibliography from in-line citations (see the article on [[K._Rudzki_i_S-ka#References|K. Rudzki i Spółka]] to see how it's done), but this is a matter of preference and taste rather than an obligation
-These are just a few notes from the top of my head. There's really a lot to be done before the article is ready. And bear in mind that English Wikipedia is much more liberal when it comes to [[WP:NOT|"unencyclopedic subjects"]] than Polish wiki, where admins have the policy of "delete first, ask questions later". I'll try to help with the article a little, we'll see where it gets us. :)
-Feel free to contact me again should you have more questions or need any help. If you prefer to reply here rather than at my talk page, please include <nowiki>{{ping|Halibutt}}</nowiki> marker somewhere in your reply so that I was notified of it. ''<font color="#901">//</font>''[[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 22:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
-::Peter, click the [citation needed] tag and you'll see explanation.
-::There are plenty of rules governing Wikipedia, but some of them are basic and are really easy to grasp. One of the core rules is [[WP:PRIMARY|"No original research"]]. Which means that all pieces of information provided here should be [[WP:VERIFIABILITY|verifiable]]. In short: if some fact is mentioned in published sources, it means it is verifiable. Most of what you mentioned at my talk page does not count as verifiable [[WP:SOURCE]]: you might have access to some documents, but unless they are verifiable by others (that is: published and available), they might just as well be non-existent. It is not a matter of true vs. untrue, right vs. wrong, trust vs. distrust. It's simply a matter of verifiability.
-:: To put it into perspective. You write that your father joined the Border Protection Corps in 1938. It's probable, why not. But you provided no verifiable source for that information, and I wasn't able to find any mention of that fact anywhere in published sources on my own (for instance [[Google Books]] shows no mentions of this particular Urbański). And the burden of proof always lies on the person to provide the information. The more I read the article, the less credible it seems. So far the only source provided in the body of the article that actually refers to your father is the ship manifest that is actually a great source for the fact that he reached Australia. However, the rest of the article is unsourced. And no, even the straty.pl page is not among the sources.
-:: Just to make it clear, you don't have to provide sources for obvious facts ("sky is blue"), you don't have to provide sources for facts that are already sources in other articles (like the fact that [[Border Protection Corps]] did exist or the fact that it was named that way). However, when it comes to facts related to the topic of this particular article - they need to be sourced. And this is especially true to controversial statements, like the one about the mystery of Gen. Sikorski's death. Or Sikorski's bodyguards. Or the fact that Urbański was among the [[Cichociemni]] (especially that we have pretty accurate lists of all Cichociemni and there are no Urbańskis among them).
-:: Finally, the article mentions that he changed his name numerous times, so perhaps he is after all mentioned in verifiable sources under a different name or nom de guerre. However, the article does not mention what those names were, so it's impossible for anyone to verify that either. I'm afraid the way the article looks now, it's deletable material (see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronisław Urbański]] in a couple minutes). Seeing that you put plenty of effort in writing it, perhaps you would like me to help you archive it before it gets deleted? ''<font color="#901">//</font>''[[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 00:28, 26 October 2014 (UTC)