Talk:Nintendo DS/Archive 3

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Removal of redundant WFC Section

For some reason there was a second WFC section right at the bottom of the page. There was no unique or useful information in it, so I removed it. Now there's only the one at the top Noit88 14:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Headset

They have a slot for it; they've mentioned using it; when will it happen? I suspect it may be used in Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, which is said to support voice chat. A headset could be used for in-game chat instead of the before-and-after-game chat in Metroid Prime Hunters. --Gaming King 07:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

There are unofficial headsets available- GAME do a third party one. There's not been any official first party ones or anything though, so it's a bit open-ended. Noit88 22:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. But I wonder when Nintendo itself will utilize the slot... --Gaming King 20:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

What DS stands for

This article makes out that DS officially stands for Dual Screen first, however I have never heard Nintendo officially calling it the Dual Screen, but the Developers' System. --The last sheikah 19:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

DS does stand for Duel Screen and was originally the code name used to describe the system. But Nintendo decided to settle with the name. Bendragonbrown47 19:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, when the name was first revelaed, NIntedo even stated that it does NOT tand for DUal Screen, but Developer's System. Hwoever, fans SPECULATED that it was DUal Screen, and assimilated the name into marketing. Mishy dishy 22:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

ComfortStylus SPAM Link?

The ComfortStylus isn't a "DS" accessory -- it's a generic stylus. The entry seems as though it might exist solely to drive folks to the ComfortStylus website. Shall we delete it? 69.104.41.102 15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)David69.104.41.102 15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Wii Connectivity

It has been mentioned before that the DS will in some way connect with the DS. I dont know the specifics or have a link to anything very concrete but I was wondering if anyone that knew more about that would be willing to add that to this article as it is currently lacking any mention.Sir hugo 19:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

So far as I know they bounce radio signals off one another. 69.145.123.171 ^Hello!

One of a kind category

How can the DS belong to this category when there's also a DS Lite, therefore not one of a kind? --Oscarthecat 20:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

They're the same thing. The Lite is just a slight upgrade. 69.145.123.171 ^Hello!

Who decides which are "one of a kind"? This is an extremely POV category, and should be nominated for deletion. -- ReyBrujo 20:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed... 69.145.123.171 ^Hello!

Please visit the talk page for this category to discuss its possible deletion.Sir hugo 20:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I Have A Question...can anyone help?

Well, look... the DS/DS Lite are non-reigonal, right? I, an American, can play Japanese games in my DS, right? So, when the Japanese Opera DS Browser comes out, can't I just buy it off the web, pay for the huge shipping, and use it to go on the web with my DS? I'm not sure if it would work... could anyone more knowledgeable on this topic help me? Thanks. aido2002 03:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That's possible yes, but you may have to contend with the web browser only interpreting Japanese (I can't really know for sure until it comes out). --Thaddius 12:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

image

The DS image in the infobox has no source. It may be deleted on commons. Bawolff 05:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a instruction howto that needs to be in the thingy

There is a way, however, to change batteries without losing the data mentioned above. The user will need a charger, the new battery, and the DS to have its batteries replaced. First, the user turns on the System, and then plugs it in. Making perfectly sure that the system is on and plugged in, the user changes the batteries. The user may take as much time as he/she wants. IMPORTANT: KEEP IT PLUGGGED IN! Once the new battery is securley in place, screw in the cover, and use the system normally.

That, is very helpful to the topic, as people will just see "Replacing betteries erases data" and not how to prevent it.

Howtos have no place on Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOT. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for discussing the matter. Also, remember to add ~~~~ at the end of your posts so that they are signed (and so others can identify you have been the one in making that comment). As for your information, that is not the focus of the encyclopedia. Otherwise, we would be adding opinions about screen protectors and how to install them, how to use the stylus to minimize scratching, etc. Also, note that the procedure is extremely hard (for a casual reader), as the user would need to open the unit, which may void warranty. -- ReyBrujo 02:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

There is virtually no difficulty involved in performing the procedure, and if it violated the warranty, the battery cover would have use a three-sided screw like Nintendo uses for other restricted areas. CrossEyed7 02:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

No-one calls it a NDS?

Recent edit removed this NDS alias. Sites such as amazon still refer to it as NDS in some instances. [1]. Also, google shows many sites using the name. I've reverted the edit, as a result. --Oscarthecat 06:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I suggest we remove the NDS thing. I have never heard anyone call it that, and DS is a much more common abbreviation. Indeed, look up DS on Google and loads of DS stuff comes up. Search for NDS and you get the National Dahlia Society. -- Steel 16:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. IGN regularly refer to it as the NDS, see [2], as do Amazon [3] --Oscarthecat 17:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough then. -- Steel 17:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Never heard it called NDS by anyone, ever. Might just be an IGN thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.252.8.160 (talk • contribs) .

Adding a fansite

I was wondering if I could add my Nintendo DS Blog! It follows te news on the Nintendo dS and the Nitendo DS Lite! HEre is the adress: http://red.blogs.aol.com/imasmartguy/Nintendo+DS/ --64.12.116.72 13:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe it fulfills the requirements. Blogs, social networking sites and forums are not good external links per 12th guideline:

Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to. Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard.

Also, per 8th point:

Sites that are inaccessible to a significant proportion of the online community (for example, sites that only work with a specific brand of browser).

I tried to access your blog, but it asks me for an AOL user and password, and won't let me access the site without one. Thus, anyone who does not have an AOL account will not be able to access your blog. Even if you can create an AOL account for free, casual users should not need to give user and password information to access any external site.

Finally, your blog may also fail points 1 (A website that you own or maintain) and 3 (In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose.). -- ReyBrujo 13:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Special Edition Naruto DS?

http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/gamesoft/daikesyu_4/tokuten.html so, what's the word?-Malomeat 15:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

units sold

Okay, this has been eating at me for a while now, but how are getting the numbers for units sold? It doesn't seem to match anything in any of the linked references. Same with the Nintendo DS Lite article. I have a suspicion we're doing something we shouldn't be, but I'm not sure. Can anyone explain what's going on? Dancter 20:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Japanese units sold come from media play, while nintendo posts quarterly reports of it's sales numbers world wide. Sometimes things are common knowledge (DS being # 1 in july), and other times they are from NPD.Neozero497 20:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Citation Needed on Opera broswer

In the section on the Opera web broswer, there is a citation needed tag after this sentence:

"a cross-platform web browser which will take advantage of the dual screens for either zooming in on certain sections of a website or having a longer vertical view"

The part needed citation is the last part about the zooming in/long vertical view, right ? That was confirmed in an issue of Nintendo Power. I have a scanned image of the page on my computer, is there anyway it could be used to verify the sentence ? Correct me I'f I'm wrong. - ~Viper~ | talk | contribs 23:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe that English magazine scans are not allowed on Wikipedia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a citation that I think works. It's from the blog of someone who does PR at Opera. If anyone can find something better, they're welcome to change it. Also, about whether magazine scans can be used, they probably don't fall under fair use, and thus shouldn't be uploaded onto Wikipedia. Linking to them seems okay, but considering how easy it is to forge an image using Photoshop, it would be best to support them with thorough citations, complete with the particular issue, article title, author, and page numbers. I prefer using templates like {{cite news}}, but it isn't required. Dancter 01:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm ... didn't think so. Oh well, that link looks good too me. - ~Viper~ | talk | contribs 02:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Dual Screen points to this article, but shouldn't it be a seperate article altogether?

I noticed that the article Dual Screen points to this article about the Nintendo DS, presumably because "DS" stands for "Dual Screen". However, it seems to me that "Dual Screen" as a phrase is a much broader term, including any technology or computer system that incorporates two screens. Nintendo DS is just one product that makes use of that technology.

I would recommend that someone with more expertise than myself on the issue put together a seperate stub article for "Dual Screen" that discusses in general what dual screen applications are and how they work. Within that broader article, mention Nintendo DS as an example of a dual screen application at work. Dugwiki 20:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Quick addendum. I just realized that there is already an article called Dual monitor. That article seems to be a more appropriate redirect for Dual Screen, so I'm taking the liberty of changing the redirect. Dugwiki 20:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Note that Dual monitor redirects to Multi monitor. People usually prefer doing a Google test to see which is the most common use for the phrase, I am fine with anything. The only thing you should do is add a disambiguation link at Multi monitor to point to this page as well. -- ReyBrujo 03:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Game Cards using Flash memory?

Could someone provide proof of this? This sounds highly dubious as Flash memory is generally re-writable, and I've never heard of Flash ROMs. I know save data is definately stored on Flash memory in the cards, but would assume just normal ROM chips are much cheaper to make and more reliable than Flash for the actual game. --Zilog Jones 19:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, semantics aside, flash memory is often considered ROM memory, despite the fact that they technically aren't "read-only". But I agree: we needs a reference affirming that that the actual game software is stored on flash memory. I haven't had any luck. Dancter 20:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to remove any mention of this if no proof is given in the next week or so, as I cannot see any information outside WP that mentions the game data being on Flash memory. I think it may just be a misunderstanding of terminoligy - the author may have thought "flash memory" is any ROM/RAM in a small plastic card package, like SD, xD cards, etc., not the type of IC memory that it is. --Zilog Jones 21:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Triangles/framerate question

The article currently announces that "The system is theoretically capable of rendering 120,000 triangles per second at 30 frames per second." Does this mean to say, as is later implied, that the system can do at most 30 fps and, in addition, at most 120,000 triangles/second? The "at" doesn't make any sense. — 84.66.235.49 09:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Official Nintendo information seems to contradict this. According to Nintendo's Australian website, the DS can do 3-D at 60fps.[4] I tried to find out where the 120K triangles/30fps info came from, and as far as I can tell, it came from a purported leak of a spec sheet in 2004. Dancter 20:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that is a bit confusing, and I'm pretty sure Mario Kart DS runs mostly at 60fps. --Zilog Jones 21:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Main Photo Should be Lite?

Perhaps the main photo should be updated to the Nintendo DS Lite as that is now the official 'image' of the Nintendo DS. Artimuszeln 00:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Game Boy Advance article shows the original GBA, despite Nintendo not even making them any more. I say we keep the image of the original Nintendo DS. There's already a section for the DS Lite. That's where the DS Lite photo should go. --Optichan 17:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course, some other opinions would be nice as well. --Optichan 13:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, this article is about the Nintendo DS and not the Nintendo DS Lite. Seems pretty clear to me, keep with the pic of the original, but by all means mention (and link) to the DS Lite article. --Oscarthecat 14:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Reaction section

It's completely awful, has no relevance, is not referenced and is littered with weasel words that slightly bias it against the DS. I think it should be removed; it's obvious from the sales section was people's reaction was. Trip: The Light Fantastic 00:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it is, and clearly written from one perspective. I recall at the time, from reading no doubt different publications, a very positive reaction to the innovative direction Nintendo had chosen to take. Naturally, that's just another view, but I've edited the section to make it more balanced (eg "some journalists" rather than _everyone_). Yes, there was criticism, but let's highlight the criticism of learned gamers rather than whimsical reactions by generic pundits. Those who've followed the games industry since the '80s had cautious reservations but equally respected the novel ideas in the machine. 86.131.31.5 21:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Is the Game Boy comparison accurate, or even necessary? I haven't researched it thoroughly or anything, but didn't the Game Gear come out significantly later than Game Boy? How could the Game Boy be initially perceived as inferior to a console which hadn't even been released yet? Dancter 21:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Top Selling Game

Last time I checked (a few minutes ago) MKSD was in SECOND and Nintendogs in First. Personally I like MKDS better, but oh well. Still needs to be accurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.227.69.157 (talk • contribs) .

DS?

What does DS stand for? Dual Screen? --D-hyo 20:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It can.[5] An explanation was offered a little further up. Dancter 20:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

predecessor

shouldn't there be no predecessor since it's been said by nintendo the ds is NOT part of the game boy family but a totally different system —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.166.212.145 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)