Talk:List of active separatist movements in North America

And Oklahoma

There is a large effort, but generally small activism, for Native American tribal nations in Oklahoma to restore national soveriegnity of Indian Territory, in the eastern half of Oklahoma and parts of Arkansas (northwest), Kansas (southeast, facing Osage County) and Missouri (McDonald County) for quite some time. Activists calling for independence and secession are usually members of the American Indian Movement and are also active in the Republic of Lakotah (the Sioux) in South Dakota, whose president is actor and activist Russell Means.

The leading five to ten tribal nations based in the region: The Cherokee (most numerous in size), Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek/Muskogee, Lenni-Lenape, Pawnee, Pottawatomi, Osage, Shawnee and Seminole, have federally recognized powers over tribal trust lands and properties in Oklahoma. If the tribal jurisdiction rejected being members of both the USA whom removed these peoples and relocated them in the 1830's and state of Oklahoma (the western part) since 1907, the Indian Nations Republic of (Eastern) Oklahoma can be the world's first Native American republic. Mike D 26 (talk) 23:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria

If we follow the current criteria we need to delete virtually every entry as unsourced. How do we determine "active"? News articles about them in the last year? Their own web sites wouldn't be valid for this. Dougweller (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

The cult-like Christian Exodus organization isn't by any stretch a pressure group that's part of an active separatist movement in SC.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 01:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Republik Of New Afrika inclusion

There are still blacknnationalist organizations alive. The nation of Islam has not died out and many blacks still have nationalist sentiments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.41.99 (talk) 01:37, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

POV language

I take it you're aware that "separatist" is a biased and loaded term? Something more neutral should be used. Self-determination is not of itself a crime.--MacRùsgail (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: Brainstorming words here...several are mentioned on the article separatism. "Independence" and "secessionist" might be a bit strong for groups only seeking autonomy; "partition" seems a bit awkward. "Self-determination" makes it sound like the region in question doesn't have any currently, which is not true in all cases listed. Then there's "separationist" which to me seems essentially the same but longer and awkward. Personally, I don't find "separatist" to have any particular positive or negative connotation, other than whatever feelings come along with the thing the word is describing (which seems like it could be positive or negative depending on your politics and the geography in question). What would your preference be? -- Beland (talk) 01:33, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

You're certainly right in saying that the alternatives aren't very good, but "separatism" is a very loaded term, and is used as a pejorative. A number of international publications do use it, but that still doesn't make it right.

'"Self-determination" makes it sound like the region in question doesn't have any currently, which is not true in all cases listed.'

Can be complex. In the recent Scottish referendum, a number of people who voted for unionist parties voted FOR independence.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: I'm not sure which term you're suggesting we use? -- Beland (talk) 01:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Erm, something that doesn't sound as if it's against the idea of self-determination for X? -MacRùsgail (talk) 17:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Hawaii?

There are independence movements in Hawaii. These should be listed.203.184.41.226 (talk) 18:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The current version of this page says to go to List of active separatist movements in Oceania. Not satisfactory but it's there somewhere. Mehmetaergun (talk) 05:05, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The answer is that it should be in both. Hawaii is not in North America really, but it IS an American state. This still leaves questions about Guam etc though.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Bundy?

List of active autonomist and secessionist movements ultimately forwards users here. Should the Bundy stuff be listed here as well as an autonomist entity/person/movement/whatever it is? I believe it's refered to as Bundy standoff. Mehmetaergun (talk) 05:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The Chicano Movement

Is there any reason why there isn't a mention of Chicano nationalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Elan Nino (talk • contribs) 05:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Reconquista

What about this independence movement ? It even has a wikipedia page -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

72.53.96.54 (talk) 03:39, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Lakota are a native American tribe with a treaty. They are no more separatist than any other tribe in the US. I'm deleting it until someone figures out how there any different than the others.