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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 3, 2015.

S.p.A.

• S.p.A. → S.A. (corporation)  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:RFD#D2 "may cause confusion", WP:RFD#D5 "makes no sense". The Italian formation of a limited company is not the same as the French one. Si Trew (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Speedy keep Are we looking at the same article? It's not limited to French usage, and right there in the "In different countries" section it says "Società Anonima in Italian (since 1942 Società per Azioni, S.p.A.)". --BDD (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
• Refine, then, as {{R to section}} S.A. (corporation)#In different countries. I told you, have can, will worms: what are "different countries"? Perhaps Elsewhere or in the List of countries that are not France? It's not very WP:NEUTRAL, is it, but that's for another day. Si Trew (talk) 16:19, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. S.P.A. → SPA, the DAB. There is something afoot here, since any fule kno that Spa, Belgium is where we get the word "Spa" from (also I am now inundated with ads for hot baths in Budapest, thanks!) but the caps and punctuation etc on the redirects are a bit of a mess to where they go. NOW JUST WALK OUT OF THE ROOM AND LET IT GO TREW... Si Trew (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Ach, on that DAB (Spa being primary topic for a hot water treatment) we also have S.P.A. (automobile), which would not be relevant except they were Italian (in Turin), full name Società Piemontese Automobili which redirects there. Yes, I know WP:DIFFCAPS, but unfortunately most search engines, including Wikipedia's, don't. Si Trew (talk) 16:34, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's more of a problem. I think it's ok for S.p.A. and S.P.A. to be different, per WP:DIFFCAPS, but that might be worthy of discussion, if you'd like. As it stands, deliberate lowercasing of the P almost certainly refers to the Italian corporation suffix. --BDD (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Retarget to SPA (disambiguation) which lists Società per Azioni which is not "S.A. (corporation)" -- 70.51.46.11 (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
• NOTE see requested move at talk:S.A. (corporation) -- 70.51.46.11 (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Harijs Poters

• Harijs Poters → Harry Potter  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Harry Potter has no affinity with Latvian. Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 15:30, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Delete oer WP:RFOREIGN, there's an article at lv:Harijs_Poters, so not needed here, and no particular affinity to Latvian. If only she could write English it would be a start. Si Trew (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
• Keep - unambiguously directs readers to the article they're looking for; no reason has been suggested for deletion (nor can I imagine any). WilyD 19:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

You don't think a reader searching for this term would be looking for particular information on Harry Potter in Latvia? --BDD (talk) 20:29, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The essay in question that is quoted simply reiterates what is clearly stated in the eight section of WP:RFD#DELETE and that section is clearly titled reasons to delete and I see no evidence that it is a recent addition. The suggestion that someone referencing what is clearly stated in that section as not giving a reason makes no sense and will likely be ignored for obvious reasons,--67.68.29.99 (talk) 01:17, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Kieran Wallace

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was procedural close. See my comments below. --BDD (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Kieran Wallace → Denis O'Brien  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Kieran Wallace (footballer) is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC JMHamo (talk) 13:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I beg to differ. I find it hard to see how a third division footballer could take precedent over a figure at the centre of a political scandal involving a billionaire businessman and his country's courts, banks, parliament and media. In any event (and in the spirit of WP:BOLD), I moved it to the common disambiguation 'footballer' thus preserving the page history. This seemed the simplest move yet the nominator instantly undid it, came here and then, to top it all off, had the cheek to accuse me on my talk page of a "cut-and-paste move" while attempting to discredit me with a notice telling me what I could and could not do when my account was more than four days old (which it certainly is). --Inother (talk) 15:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@Inother: I understand you are upset. But, what should you like us to do with it? You haven't really said. The default here at RfD is (and I dislike that default) for it to be deleted if nobody else says otherwise, and you've not said otherwise. But I doubt a delete of it is what you want. Si Trew (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I am not upset. I moved the footballer to the common disambiguation 'footballer' thus preserving the history. I am wondering why the nominator then came here to have the redirect deleted and why the same nominator wrongly accused me of a "copy-and-paste move", an accusation which could only have been in bad faith. I find it hard to see how all that could been an accident, how, as I have said, a third division footballer could take precedent over a figure at the centre of a political scandal involving a billionaire businessman and his country's courts, banks, parliament and media, and why the nominator needs to have that redirect deleted. --Inother (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Based on all that I've said and the nominator's actions it is keep. --Inother (talk) 16:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Move over redirect Kieran Wallace (footballer) to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC at Kieran Wallace, and WP:HATNOTE to Denis O'Brien. It would be a WP:SURPRISE to type in "Kieren Wallace" and end up with an article about someone who is not named "Kieren Wallace". It's not as if Wallace is particularly prominent in that article, it's only in the section Denis O'Brien#RTÉ injunction naming Wallace as the BBC's "special liquidator" (which is so BBC: do they have more general liquidators?). Si Trew (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Stop. This really isn't the way to do this. Incoming links are still intended for the footballer. I'm restoring the status quo ante, and that's the position from which we should discuss changes. Kieran Wallace will remain an article. If you think it should redirect to Denis O'Brien, go to Requested moves and request a move to Kieran Wallace (footballer). --BDD (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Memory space (computational resource)

• Memory space (computational resource) → Computational resource  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect should be deleted per WP:RED. It's a notable concept that should have a dedicated article. Currently the computational resource article only provides an unreferenced half-sentence. Redirecting to it gives the readers a mostly useless articles, and decreases the chance that the article will be properly created. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I made it a redirect because some links that were changed, which used to redirect to Computational resource via Memory space, now seemed to point into nowhere. It wasn't my intention to prevent the creation of an actual article, just to make sure visitors could find the original target information until that happens. My apologies if I interrupted a cleanup in process. --Ørjan (talk) 02:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Keep as a redirect. What, pray tell, is the difference between this and space complexity, and why should they be treated as if they are separate topics? And if you think it should be expanded, appropriate responses are to tag it with {{R with possibilities}} or, you know, actually expand it. But for now DSPACE might be a better redirect target than computational resource since it's actually about (a specific type of) space complexity. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@David Eppstein: I don't understand. Nobody's disputing it should go somewhere, well OK User:Piotrus, the nom, is but leave that aside. Your argument is really, I think, as a retarget (I think that is what you mean by Keep as a redirect) but where? Are you going for DSPACE or space complexity? (Actually, most computer memory is limited by time not space: that's why people invented things like zero wait state memory). Si Trew (talk) 07:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment. At first glance, I would have gone delete, and certainly the DAB at Memory space encouraged me that way. (That is a WP:TWODABS, one for computing and one for the arty fartysocial sciences.) There is more to this than meets the eye: I presume that neither was considered primary so we made a WP:TWODABS, but I haven't checked the history of all those to untangle it. It could be {{R to section}} but there is no section about memory, and Resource (computing), a DAB, doesn't mention memory either. Perhaps it's so cheap these days that we forget it is a resource! 15:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)