User talk:Sir Sputnik

Transfers

Hey. Is it okay to update articles like for example Erich Berko. He's playing for VfB Stuttgart II, and he transfers to Stuttgart Kickers on 1 July. The 3. Liga who VfB Stuttgart II plays in, is finished, so I can update how many league games he has played for the club. Is it then okay to write he plays for Stuttgart Kickers, or am I supposed to wait until 1 July. I mean, we will get very busy if we dont begin now with updating transfers.

Koto Abe Deletion?

I have just noticed you have tagged Koto Abe's page for deletion. Since Koto Abe is a back up goalie in a fully professional league and has played in a youth world cup tournament does that still make it available for deletion. If so go on and delete it I support it. Da Drewster (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@Da Drewster: The relevant notability guideline here is WP:NFOOTBALL, which requires footballer to have actually played in a fully professional league. As such, reserve goalkeepers tend not to qualify unless they have received significant coverage, which does not appear to be the case here. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Alright then thanks for informing me. If you can delete it immediately please do so. Da Drewster (talk) 05:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@Da Drewster: I cannot. However, as the author, you can tag the article for speedy deletion. See WP:G7 for more details. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Alright then i'll look in to it. Da Drewster (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Variations on a theme of Alex Latham

So he is, and this time clearly recognisable as such even without the typical username. I've commented at the SPI. Thanks for letting me know. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

delete?

What are the these articles? All based on the Iranian League sources Are written. What's wrong in Navid Sabouri? or for example Farshad Pourkhanmohammad, Such as these are 1 or 2. These are quotas youths Clubs in Iran Pro League.--Samək^Talk 07:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Samak: In order to have an article on Wikipedia, a subject must meet certain inclusion criteria; most importantly the subject must be notable. For footballers, there are two guidelines to determining notability: the general notability guideline, which says that any subject that has received significant coverage in reliable sources is notable, and the football-specific notability guideline, which says that any footballer who has played for his country's national team or in a fully-pro league is notable. Significant coverage in the context of football excludes routine sports coverage such as the player profiles listed in these articles, as well as match reports, transfer announcements and speculation, squad lists etc., and so the general notability guideline does not apply. Since none of them have made their debut the Iran Pro League the specific guideline doesn't apply either. Additionally, the guideline also explicitly excludes youth football as a source of notability. Finally, in the case of Navid Savouri specifically, the article was not substantially different than the one deleted following this discussion, meaning the article was eligible for speedy deletion. I hope that clears things up. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Reply regarding deleting Vlar dragonmir

vlar dragonmir is a professional player who played 2 games in a pro league, he is currently registered with a uefa cl club, Arsenal and is a well known player after his transfer. There is no reason to delete his page as many people wants to know more of this young player who is eligible for a football page Andyangys (talk) 17:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

@Andyangys: In order to have an article on Wikipedia, a subject must meet certain criteria called notability. For footballers, WP:NFOOTBALL the relevant guideline says that players who have played for their country's national team or in one of the fully pro leagues listed here are notable. Liga II is not confirmed as fully pro, so playing in it does not satisfy this guideline. Played in this context means appeared in an actual match, so until he makes his debut for Arsenal his contract for that club is also insufficient. Also please stop removing the afd template. Doing so will not stop the deletion discussion. It is, however, considered disruptive and if you continue to do so you are liable to get yourself blocked. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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it is not a fully pro league but vlad was a professional playing in it, pls know your facts before you start making comments. there are many other asian footballer page which you can find to delete. Vlad will make his debut likely in a few weeks when they start their pre season friendly. I don't see why this page cannot be kept till then. plus, he is a player who is registered with a club in a champions league. (andyangys)

2- The club he played was also promoted to Liga 1 before he left therefore it made him eligible for a wiki page since he was part of that squad in the pro league. so this oage should be kept for users to read on the player and also because it has been qualified as a legit one.

@Andyangys: Before you proceed any further, please read the relevant guidelines on interaction with other editors, in particular on civility, personal attacks, and the assumption of good faith. That being said, WP:NFOOTBALL does not look at the professionalism of the footballer in question (though that is an implicit requirement), but rather the professionalism of the leagues in which they have played matches. This means that neither his personal professional status nor the club's promotion are relevant to whether or not the guideline is met. The guideline is also never applied prematurely, and speculation as to future appearances is never grounds for notability. Finally, the guideline refers only to competitive fixtures only, so even if he does play a friendly in the near future the article would still not meet the inclusion criteria. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

may i know why did u refer to him as a "failed" footballer in your first attempt to start a delete petition? Vlad has also played in Liga 1 when he was with Poli Tehninca Timsoamra which played for Liga I which is a full pro league before they had to demote due to certain problems and eventually close. the successor club had to start from a lower div n promote. Vlad is therefore a legal page as he also played in Liga I. Admin, pls make your stand regarding this page. Hachim Mastour page was there before he had played a match for Ac Milan, from that, it would only be fair if this page is allowed to be kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyangys (talk • contribs) 09:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

I did not in fact refer to him as a fails footballer (though I can easily see where that misunderstanding comes from). What actually wrote is that he fails the general notability guideline. All this means is that he has not received significant coverage in reliable sources and is true of almost all footballers his age. As for the supposed Liga I appearance, please provide a reliable source confirming, because at present it is unverified, which means it cannot be considered for notability purposes. Finally, other stuff exists is not a valid reason for keeping (or deleting) an article. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Danny Hurst

I'm not going to prevent the deletion of Danny Hurst, simply because I can't. I'm deeply upset by the decision to delete the article, but I do however understand why it must inevitably be deleted. Kind regards, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 11:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thomas Kraft

Hey. It's because fussballdaten hasn't noted, that he played 2 games in the relegation to 1.Bundesliga. It was on 10 May and 15 May 2012 against Fortuna Düsseldorf. So: 11/12: 34 matches (+ 2 relegations matches), 12/13: 28 matches, 13/14: 32 matches and 14/15: 32 matches. That's 128 :-) Fodbold-fan (talk) 02:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Transfermarkt

Hi. You've leaved a comment on my wiki page stating that Transfermarkt isn't a reliable source. Could you please ellaborate and explain why do you think that? Many football researchers has Transfermarkt as its primary football player statistic website as their main official source of research. Astristul (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Astristul: As I said on your talk page, too much of the websites content is user-generated. To precise, any registered user on the website can submit changes to the database with next to no editorial review from the people who run the site, which means that it qualifies as a self-published source. Its basically the same reason that Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. I hope that clears things up. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

@Sir Sputnik: Well, it doesn't because Transfermarkt isn't a site that qualifies for self-published source. I also have an account on their website and believe me that I'm not allowed to create any kind of content regarding any player that's present in their database! The only thing that can be done is discussing about where a player can transfer on their official forums. That being said, your argument is invalid! Astristul (talk) 10:25, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

@Astristul: On the login page they list a number of benefits of registering, the very first of which reads Submit Corrections - Whether player, manager, club, or match report – as a Transfermarkt user you can edit and complete almost all data yourself. Simply click the gear, fill in the form, and click submit. As I understand it, the theory when the website was launched was that players' agents could submit corrections. This never really worked and turned into user-generation of content. This process is still highly abusable. For example, User:Zombie433 was banned from Wikipedia for, among other things, adding false information to transfermarkt, so that they could later add it to Wikipedia. So in response, a decision was reached by the WikiProject Football about two years ago, if memory serves, to treat transfermarkt self-published. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, transfermarkt now seems to properly review user input, so it is much more reliable than it used to be, with obvious strenths in German-language football. Madcynic (talk) 14:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

@Sir Sputnik: Ok, that's clear enough for me. Thank you for taking your time and explaining the reasons fairly clear! Astristul (talk) 18:22, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle

Could you please tell me how you quickly replace =[[Goal.com]] using Twinkle? SLBedit (talk) 07:42, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I assume what you're trying to do is replace some of redlinks I removed. If this is the case, I don't think it's possible using twinkle. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay. So you just use "Search and replace"? SLBedit (talk) 14:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I guess. For removing links, there is a convenient unlink tool in twinkle when you're viewing non-existent articles, but for replacing them I don't know if there's a better way to do it than one at a time. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:51, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I didn't know about the unlink feature. Thanks. SLBedit (talk) 14:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Peter McGlynn for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peter McGlynn is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter McGlynn until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Proposed deletion of Daniel Šebesta

Hi Sir Sputnik. I have noticed you marked article about Slovak footballer Daniel Šebesta for deletion, Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league., you are right but Slovak First Football League is fully professional competition and players of MFK Skalice became fully pro–footballers after promoting from 2014–15 DOXXbet liga to 2015–16 Fortuna Liga. I think is sufficient reason to not delete article. Please let me know your opinion. IQual (talk) 08:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

@IQual: The relevant notability guideline, WP:NFOOTBALL, only applies to footballers who have actually played (i.e. in a match) in a fully pro league. Since the 2015–16 season hasn't started yet, he has obviously not played in the Fortuna Liga. If and when he makes his debut, he will become notable, but presently he is not. Sir Sputnik (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Dion Cools

...played 90 mins in the Belgian Pro League yesterday! See [1]. Can you please stop the sillyness? WP:BUREAU ... "Do not follow an overly strict interpretation of the letter of policy without consideration for the principles of policies". IMHO this whole deletion was a complete nonsense... because of this one match he now meets WP:NFOOTBALL. As if that one match made him special, or any different from before... --Pelotas^{talk|contribs} 20:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Moon Seon-min

I created Moon Seon-min again. Moon Seon-min played at Superettan. His official caps 66 matches. I have a question. Wikipedia think Superettan is not fully professional league. So Moon Seon-min is not professional player and you deleted article. Please explayin why you delete Moon Seon-min in detail. Thanks.Footwiks (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Footwiks: Don't repeatedly recreate articles, especially one's deleted by community discussion. It's disruptive and may get you blocked from editing. That being said, the reason for the deletion is two fold. On one hand, Moon has not received significant coverage in reliable sources, he doesn't meet the general notability guideline. On the other hand, he has not played in one of the fully pro leagues listed here, meaning the he doesn't meet the football-specific notability guideline. As for Superettan, the claim that the league is fully pro is not supported by reliable sources, so we cannot assume that it is. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, Wikipeda think Superettan is not fully professional league, Is Allsvenskan fully professilal leageu? If Moon Seon-min playe for Djurgårdens IF, Can I create article, We can check his stats. Please refer to Moon Seon-min profile at Djurgårdens IF http://dif.se/player/seon-min-moon/. This is reliable sourse.

There is another reliable sourse. trasfermarkt http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/seon-min-moon/profil/spieler/225342 We can check out Moon at Transfermakt. Do you still think that he don't notability? (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Footwiks: There are a number of issues here. First, Transfermarkt is not in fact a reliable source. It's content is user-generated, and as such, is treated as self-published. Second, and more importantly, it is not significant coverage. I'll quote WP:NSPORT: Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability. This includes listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion. Significant coverage does not include any form of routine sports coverage such as match reports, transfer announcements and speculation, squad lists, and player profiles. Finally to address your question regarding Allsvenskan, the league is confirmed as fully pro (see WP:FPL), so if and when Moon makes his debut in that league, the article will be notable. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

About The Armenian Football Articles

I looked at the list of "fully pro leagues" according to Wikipedia criteria. How is Myanmar's domestic league deemed "professional" and not Armenia's? The Armenian Premier League is, for the most part at least, professional while Myanmar is unknown in football.