Talk:Cheshvan

Why isn't the title of the article Marcheshvan? 70.20.90.65 22:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Because no one calls the month Marcheshvan. --Fez2005 (talk) 06:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nonetheless, Cheshvan is not the proper name of the month. See [this article] for details. The article should be moved to "Marcheshvan," with "Cheshvan" redirecting. Flourdustedhazzn (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

17th day Heshvan

The 17th day Heshvan (Bul) which is the second the month of ancient Jewish secular year. Genesis 7:11 - The demons dematerialized when the Flood came. Genesis 6:1-4; for Jude 6. - The Nephilim hybrid the offspring of the demons drowned. Genesis 6:4. This corresponds to the October-November period.

Nimrod started his own religion. No

In many cultures a single event, Festival of the Dead, lasting up to 3 days, was held at the end of October and beginning of November; examples include the Peruvians, the Hindus, the Pacific Islanders, the people of the Tonga Islands, the Australians, the ancient Persians, the ancient Egyptians, the Japanese, ancient Romans, and the northern nations of Europe. see Festival of the Dead. Ayamarca, (November) in the incas languages mean Festival of the Dead.

“Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid [ancient Celtic priesthood] ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead . . . , whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”

Josephus: “[Nimrod] little by little transformed the state of affairs into a tyranny, holding that the only way to detach men from the fear of God was by making them continuously dependent upon his own power. He threatened to have his revenge on God if He wished to inundate the earth again; for he would build a tower higher than the water could reach and avenge the destruction of their forefathers. The people were eager to follow this advice of [Nimrod], deeming it slavery to submit to God; so they set out to build the tower . . . and it rose with a speed beyond all expectation.”—Jewish Antiquities, I, 114, 115 (iv, 2, 3). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.60.200 (talk) 09:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Mistakes propagated by Wikipedia

The reason why people do not call Marcheshvan by its proper name is because of misinformation put out by websites, for example this one [1]. A false etymology is provided, leading people to believe that the name is Cheshvan with an optional adjectival prefix. One of the objects of Wikipedia is to be a platform from which people can be sure they are getting reliable information. Some websites try to be accurate, e.g. this one [2] but even this gets it wrong. During the Babylonian captivity the Babylonian calendar came into use, the eighth month of which was arach-samna, arach meaning "month" and samna meaning "eighth". By documented rules of pronunciation change arach-samna transmuted into Marcheshvan.

The Manual of Style does not say that when a word is abbreviated for convenience it is wrong to write it out in full. This is why the article "BBC" specifically states that the actual name is "British Broadcasting Corporation". 86.166.125.99 (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

List of Historical Events

The list of historical events was clearly copied from some Chabad calendar, and should be edited for Neutral POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.69.5.238 (talk) 00:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Feast of Jeorboam

"After seeking advice, the king made two golden calves. He said to the people, 'It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem. Here are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.' One he set up in Bethel, and the other in Dan. And this thing became a sin; the people went even as far as Dan to worship the one there. Jeroboam built shrines on high places and appointed priests from all sorts of people, even though they were not Levites. He instituted a festival on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, like the festival held in Judah, and offered sacrifices on the altar. This he did in Bethel, sacrificing to the calves he had made. And at Bethel he also installed priests at the high places he had made. On the fifteenth day of the eighth month, a month of his own choosing, he offered sacrifices on the altar he had built at Bethel. So he instituted the festival for the Israelites and went up to the altar to make offerings." 1 Kings 12:28-33.

I think the Ceremonial calendar is what's meant here, making this Feast the Full Moon of Chechvan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.229.89 (talk) 18:20, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, no quorum or evidence provided. Please reinitiate discussion as necessary. Dekimasuよ! 00:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Cheshvan → Marcheshvan – The correct name is Marcheshvan as explained in the article. Marcheshvan currently links to this page but it should be the other way around. The reason I can't do the move myself is that someone tried to cut and paste this page to Marcheshvan once and was rightly reverted, so Marcheshvan is not a redirect with no history. Thanks, administrator, in advance. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 01:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC) Jfr26 (talk) 14:56, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment. The English-language sources linked in the article use "Cheshvan." If you would like this move to proceed, please present evidence that Marcheshvan is the common name in English. Dekimasuよ! 01:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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Let's get the name right

With regard to @StevenJ81:'s post on Talk:Hebrew calendar at 16:49, 4 August 2015:

He refers to his edit of 19:59, 16 July. This links back to his statement of 15:27, 16 July where he says:

2. Table at 1:3: "Marcheshvan" (or Cheshvan)", with the link on the shorter name that is the actual name of the article.

We now have a consensus that the name of the month is actually Marcheshvan, not Cheshvan. Therefore, if anyone wants to put Cheshvan in the list of months - which is as ridiculous as putting "September or Sep" in the list of months in our Gregorian calendar article - they need to make a formal proposal which can be debated and (if necessary) formatted as an RfC so that we get input from more than just a handful of editors.

I also propose @Choor monster: @Debresser: that this article be renamed Marcheshvan, and a redirect be set up from Cheshvan to Marcheshvan. 213.123.194.188 (talk) 14:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)