User talk:MusicAngels

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Your userpage

See Wikipedia:User_pages#User_pages_that_look_like_articles.

Also Arthur Rimbaud exists already, so, what are you doing? You can test all you want of course but it looks a little strange as your main userpage. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 15:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Rimbaud this month, perhaps Emily Dickinson next month. These are meant as suggestions for people to read the full articles. MusicAngels (talk) 16:20, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't that work better if you actually provided a link to the main article? — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 17:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• This clearly falls under the category "User pages that look like articles". Can you give any reason why it should not be deleted? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

IP editor identified for vandalism by three separate bots

You need to stop deleting conversations going on on talk pages or I will report you. 199.48.242.82 (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, just because someone forgot to sign their comment does not mean it should be removed. You can instead, if you wish, append a {{unsigned}} template to the comment, but do not remove it. For more information see the talk page guidelines. Thank you — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: You appear to have returned an unsigned and unformated entry on that Talk page from a dynamic IP editor which has been flagged for vandalism and section blanking on the article edit history page in question multiple times. This is the entry from the article edit History page:

(cur | prev) 12:27, 10 July 2015‎ ClueBot NG (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (112,972 bytes) (+112,972)‎ . . (Reverting possible vandalism by 64.9.130.42 to version by MusicAngels. False positive? Report it. Thanks, ClueBot NG. (2287478) (Bot)) (undo)

There are also multiple disruptive editing messages on the various dynamic IP editor Talk pages which other editors have posted. Each time I try to send another Talk message for that dynamic IP editor, they seem to change to another IP address. If there was any content, references, or reliable sources included on the Talk page then it should be retained. Without one single reference or reliable source given, then it appears to be the "vandalism" as identified by ClueBot NG quoted above. MusicAngels (talk) 17:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

First off, ClueBot is not the authority on what constitutes vandalism. Secondly, what happens on the article page does not dictate what happens on the talk page. Often unconstructive edits are accompanied by fully constructive talk page edits. The talk page is for just that, talking. Unless it is completely inappropriate and off-topic you should not be removing others' comments, period. Looking through the page history at Talk:Poetry in the early 20th century most of the comments appear relevant and constructive. Finally, your edit summary simply read Unsigned and improper format for Talk page. Message to IP editor on IP editor Talk page which is very much an inappropriate justification for removal. We never remove comments because they were "improperly formatted". New users almost never sign their posts, but they of course are still allowed and encouraged to participate in discussion. I hope this clears things up — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: My initial purpose in doing this was, Option A, to encourage that IP-editor to open a regular account and to encourage them to start taking responsibility for their edits. If the IP-editor was still not listening, my next step would have been to ask for page protection for a few days as a further encouragement to get the IP-editor to open a regular account in order to continue responsible editing on the poetry Talk page discussion and other editing. Your Option B appears to be that you would like me to reformat and retitle the section on the Talk page there, and to make a third attempt to reach out to the dynamically changing IP-editor Talk page, in addition to the attempts I have already made. I'm ok with either option if you could indicate whichever one you would prefer. Any message you could leave for that IP-editor for proper editing would be helpful. MusicAngels (talk) 20:56, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

How about stop removing their messages so that they can engage in discussion? Do not try to force anonymous users to create accounts. IP's are human too and are perfectly allowed to edit and discuss without an account, even if their IP is ever-changing. A problematic example would be for the dynamic IP to pose as a different person to gain the upperhand in the discussion, or to evade blocks. I don't see that going on here. There may be some disruption on the mainspace article, but what I see on the talk page is a user attempting to talk, but you keep reverting their attempts. It's difficult to say if they are willing to work toward a conensus if you don't give them the chance. Does that make sense? By all means, if the talk page discussions fail to produce conesus, or the user(s) refuse to cooperate, we can take action accordingly. Until then let's at least give them the opportunity to speak their mind — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I have just begun a revision of the page and articulated my reasons in the talk page. Please do not undo and delete everything. My reasons are clear. Also, there are many academics who use IPs for a variety of reasons that are not abusive and have to do with university IP monitoring. Also there is no shame in anonymity -- many researchers do not want to have a wikipedia account for reasons that are not abusive. So please respect this. 206.222.164.126 (talk) 13:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

The above IP editor has been associated with high probability vandalism by three separate bots, ClueBot, STiki, and system bot for section blanking at the related poetry page:

(cur | prev) 12:27, 10 July 2015‎ ClueBot NG (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (112,972 bytes) (+112,972)‎ . . (Reverting possible vandalism by 64.9.130.42 to version by MusicAngels. False positive? Report it. Thanks, ClueBot NG. (2287478) (Bot)) (undo)

(cur | prev) 22:18, 17 August 2015‎ Telfordbuck (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (111,555 bytes) (-33)‎ . . (Reverted 1 edit by 207.207.28.212 identified as test/vandalism using STiki) (undo)

(cur | prev) 19:47, 15 August 2015‎ 128.90.92.17 (talk)‎ . . (85,636 bytes) (-25,919)‎ . . (undo) (Tag: blanking)

That activity identified by three bots as vandalism has been continuing for over a month on that page and that IP editor is currently section blanking about the half the article again against the endorsement review of WikiProject and WikiPatrol of the article in its original form. MusicAngels (talk) 15:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

THIS EDITOR CREATED THE PAGE AND HAS A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN MAINTAINING IT. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT FOR PERSONAL WEBPAGES. The entire page "Poetry in the Early 20th Century" should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.90.35.134 (talk) 12:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You appear not to be reading the link provided for you at WP:BRD. You are not supposed to be editing on the article page until consensus is reached on the Talk page there in the section which has been set up for you. Also you are not supposed to misattribute text to other editors which you have written yourself as you have done in your edit on that article page. Please stop misattributing your own edits to other editors at Wikipedia. MusicAngels (talk) 14:23, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Vanity Pages

There is becoming a strong consensus that your edits and creation of pages are problematic. In the month of August you have picked fights with a number of editors who disagree with you. More and more will begin challenging your vanity projects.19:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)19:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)19:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:102:B30:12E:1802:787F:2464 (talk)

Stop adding improper hat notes

Please avoid creating and restoring improper hat notes as you did here [1] and here [2] and here [3]. Also, please avoid claiming that the links to your page were "requested" by another editor or were the result of "consensus." There are no requests on any relevant talk page and no consensus. Anyway, why would another editor "request" a link instead of creating one? You are not doing yourself any good by writing statements like these, which are part of the permanent record of your actions.