Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Asdisis

Asdisis

Asdisis (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Asdisis/Archive.

A long-term abuse case exists at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Asdisis.

17 August 2015

– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Kindly Deeds (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• MitMot (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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Asdisis is a SPA editor who spent his time on Wikipedia promoting Croatian nationalism. His disruption at talk:Nikola Tesla is the stuff of legends. As the archives show, he has used sock and/or meat puppets to tip the scales in favor of his POV. Full disclosure: I have no opinion or position whatsoever about the Croatia vs. Serbia debate.

Following a brief respite after Asdisis, and his previous socks and proxies were block, it seems that we are back to the same promotional editing.

• The alleged socks were created shortly after Asdisis came off of a two week block.
  • 06:34, August 15, 2014 - Asdisis was blocked for two weeks with an expiry time of 10:34, August 29, 2014
  • 00:56, August 30, 2014 - User account Kindly Deeds was created
  • 20:07, August 31, 2014 - User account MitMot was created

• MitMot and KindlyDeeds have tag team edit warred on Nikola Tesla: [1]

• Asdisis and the two alleged socks spends a significant portion of their time pushing Croatian nationalism.
  • Kindly Deeds:[2][3]
  • MitMot:[4][5][6][7]

• Similar edit summaries used by Kindly Deeds and MitMot

Although Asdisis has edited from proxies in the past, I am requesting a checkuser to hopefully identify sleeper accounts. I tried to query new user accounts created around the same time as these, but I keep getting a "2013 Lost connection to MySQL server during query (10.64.32.25)" error. - MrX 15:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

I agree with the above. I have observed the edit conflict at Nikola Tesla since all the accounts in question began editing, although I have no opinion on the Serb/Croat issue. All of these editors are single purpose accounts whose only interest on WP is to push their nationalist cause. Michael Cambridge was a loyal supporter and defender of the sockpuppeteer Asdisis, the most extreme POVPUSHer I have ever seen, and since Asdisis was blocked has carried on the fight; he has been the most aggressive tendentious editor on Talk:Nikola Tesla. He is certainly committed enough to create sockpuppets himself. In addition, several more suspicious single-issue IPs have popped up to support the same cause:

User:141.138.50.1 [8]

User:89.164.185.106 [9]

There are also some on the Serb side of the conflict:

User:109.172.46.216 [10]

These disruptive editors, on both sides, have wasted an enormous amount of good editors' time and effort. The entire conflict at Nikola Tesla, which has been going on since 2007, is over a single word in the article! Whether or not they are judged to be socks, most of them have demonstrated enough transgressive behavior to qualify for blocking as disruptive editors. --Chetvorno^TALK 12:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Those IPs are clearly M.Cambridge. From Tesla he moved to another article, Talk:Serbs of Croatia, first used the same IP he admitted to be Cambridge at Tesla talk-page, 141.138.50.1 , then he continued the discussion at both articles using IP 89.164.239.139. FkpCascais (talk) 12:15, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

IP 89.164.239.139 shows same exact pattern as Asdisis did (diff) - "Oh don't block me, I didn't even edited the article, I only discuss at talk-page to create consensus". FkpCascais (talk) 14:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

89.164.239.139 and 141.138.50.1 both geolocate to the same city as an IP address used by Asdisis in the past. - MrX 15:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I come from Zagreb. I don't know where the mentioned users come from, but Zagreb is home to nearly 1/4 of population of Croatia. Is it true that before someone is blocked as a sock a pattern of misconduct has to be determined? In which aspect is my supposed misconduct similar to the misconduct of the other mentioned users?89.164.239.139 (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I will mention that this IP tends to wikilawyer much the same way Asdisis did. On several occasions this same person(with different IPs) has complained about how unjust Asdisis was treated. I don't think I have ever heard louder quacking, combined with the technical evidence this seems clear. I am involved in the underlying content dispute to be clear and won't be taking any action myself. Chillum 19:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

No I never mentioned those users, nor do I know who they are. I don't know what wikilawyer-ing is. Technical evidence? I think Wikipedia has a system which looks upon IP addresses, so there's really no need for your assesment of technical evidence when admin will use that system to see. I asked what is my misconduct and still I do not get an answer. 89.164.239.139 (talk) 19:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Here are the diffs for some of the occasions where this reoccurring character mentions asdisis. Take note of the writing style: [11][12][13][14]. Chillum 19:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

August 29

Since this hasn't been archived (I find navigating SPI pages quite arcane, btw): it seems that 72.66.12.17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), disrupting Ivo Andrić (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is another sock of his. Or of some else banned Balkans editor. No such user (talk) 15:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I have not looked into this IPs edits yet, but I will say that this sock recently said they would evade their block by going to other articles. Chillum 15:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I've been pushing Serbian POV with significant vandalism, and you Chillum haven't really reacted to that.I've been deleting whole passages from the talk pages, and I've been making some significant changes to the articles and you were present there and you haven't really reacted. It's getting bored since no one reverts me and I'm being allowed to vandalize the pages. It seems I have to declare it openly, so here I'm doing it. I will also go beond Balkan pages. It's interesting how fast someone can get blocked when he is designated to be Asdisis. No IP is safe, and when I activate my fake accounts, even the signed up users with a long history of editing won't be safe. I don't see any other way to expose your little kartel but to get as much other people blocked. 89.164.161.161 (talk) 18:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

As I already suspected, "I've been pushing Serbian POV", there were IPs Asdisis used to push Serbian POV in order to make a point. The discussion at Nikola Tesla regarding Serbian Orthodox Church was clearly him cause there was no logic at all after everything that hapend to someone behave aggressively in order they did. FkpCascais (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that when you see the same person pretending to be multiple people taking opposing points of view and arguing with themselves that it is safe to assume that the underlying content dispute is not their goal. Rather it is likely that they get their kicks by finding a controversial area and intentionally muddying the waters. It isn't new, it isn't clever and he is not particularly good at it but we are being trolled. Chillum 20:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Nonsense. You are wrongfully accusing everyone of being Asdisis, as you did with me, and as I now see, some other people as well. No one of them was a positive match for being a sock. This is getting ridiculous. Who is this guy who's making a report? Where did he come from, I don't see him in any of the discussions I looked at, where Asdisis was involved. 65.49.68.182 (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I was talking about you. It hardly matters if Asdisis is a real person or one of your faces now does it? Chillum 21:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

It does. I was blocked before I even knew what the word Asdisis meant. I actually went to the dictionary to see because I meant it's a Wikipedia term, like "sock puppet"...This is getting out of hand. To block a person who edits Wikipedia for months and who was clearly opposed to Asdisis (on Tesla page) is getting out of hand. I ask again, where did this person who reported this IP appeared from? I'm looking for him in old discussions and I still haven't found how he is related to Asdisis. 65.49.68.182 (talk) 21:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Reported IP can't be Asdisis, because the person behind it actually reported Asdisis on several occasions. 65.49.68.182 (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

• The following accounts are  Confirmed to each other and  Unrelated to Asdisis:
  • Michael Cambridge (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
  • Kindly Deeds (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
  • MitMot (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• I've blocked the three accounts with no tags. The clerk should consider a separate SPI with Michael Cambridge as the master.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:11, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
• Based on the evidence submitted above, I've blocked 89.164.239.139 for five days. I see no point to blocking the other IPs irrespective of whether they are socks as they are too stale. The most recent, I believe, is two days ago, which may not seem like much, but many sock masters hop around quite a bit, and I don't think it will be effective. Even the block I just made is probably not going to help much, but at least it stops current disruption.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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