Talk:Venus (Marvel Comics)

Venus & Agents of Atlas #5

...well, that's shaken things up a bit. It might be worth waiting 'til #6 is out, but there are a number of major retcons in #5. --Mrph 23:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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Aphrodite

Do we know for certain that the goddess' first appearance was in 2009, and that all previous appearances were of the naiad? See my rationale at the comics project talk page. BOZ (talk) 23:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

For reference here is that post from comics project talk page:

For example, looking over the appearances on this page, I'd say that the naiad is Venus #1-19 and Marvel Mystery Comics #91 (from the 40s), and Avengers #283-284 & Thor Annual #8 were definitely the goddess. Marvel: The Lost Generation #5 was a followup on the 40s character, so clearly the naiad there as well. Most of the rest of that depends upon interpretation, and really requires some clarification from the writers as to which exploits belonged to which. BOZ (talk) 05:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

What you say here is an easy and logical assumption to make, however there has been no confirmation of this in the comic book and therefore could be considered WP:OR. I'd be okay with it if a concensus of the editors agree and then Vensus's fictional history can be sorted between the two characters. -TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd have no idea how to separate them without some input from the writers - which I'm hoping happens at some point in Agents of Atlas and/or The Incredible Hercules; if not there, then at least an OHOTMU type handbook. I mean, there are scenes in which Venus appears in Olympus with the other gods, and I can't see them letting a siren just hang out with them for no apparent reason, while the real Venus is who knows where. I'm uncomfortable declaring most of the rest of her appearances one way or the other. I'm sure the goddess appeared long before 2009, but I can't prove it yet. BOZ (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it makes sense but I hesitate to do it without an official source. -TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The true Goddess is the one that debuts in the 40s in the comic Venus, using her roman name. The siren is the one that debuts in Agents of Atlas. It hasn't be 100% confirmed, however there are MAJOR pointers such as the Cestus which is the biggest giveaway following the retcon. During their battle in 2011, the true Goddess Aphrodite GIVES the cestus to the siren, handing over her mantle, meaning it was in the possession of the real Goddess all this time. And in the 40s Venus can be seen with the Cestus also, throughout the publication. So it can very safely be assumed that it was in fact Aphrodite that debuted in the 40s, the real Goddess.

Another big pointer is the established powers. In the 40s Venus displays alot of powers that she actually doesnt have, however the Goddess does, such as teleporting. These are then established to help illustrate the difference between the two in 2009 when Venus is pretty much helpless against the real Goddess when she confronts her for the first time in her temple.

I know again that it isn't 100% confirmed. However those pointers, especially the fact that the cestus was always in Aphrodites possession, is pretty much a confirmed retcon that it was actually Aphrodite. The Marvel Wikia has also taken note of this and changed the histories around so that it was Aphrodite that debuted in the 40s following this revelation too.