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::#Only people are capable of being harassed, not objects such as articles. Look up the word, or, as Joshua Jonathan has already suggested, read the [[WP:HARASS|harassment policy]]. |
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::#Your understanding about removing comments is mistaken. You may remove any posts you like from your own talkpage, see [[WP:REMOVED]]. But I haven't been blaming you for Dseer's comments, or suggesting you ought to remove them — have I? No, and I'm not now. I was warning you against following his lead. That was because you explicitly expressed appreciation of his words,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mauna22&diff=685831034&oldid=685828707] with reference to a post that included the word "Nazi" (thrown at specific editors). He has been blocked for that post. I'm glad to hear you now sounding as if you've had second thoughts about throwing in your lot with Dseer. I'm sorry you got such poor advice from him; that wasn't your fault. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC). |
::#Your understanding about removing comments is mistaken. You may remove any posts you like from your own talkpage, see [[WP:REMOVED]]. But I haven't been blaming you for Dseer's comments, or suggesting you ought to remove them — have I? No, and I'm not now. I was warning you against following his lead. That was because you explicitly expressed appreciation of his words,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mauna22&diff=685831034&oldid=685828707] with reference to a post that included the word "Nazi" (thrown at specific editors). He has been blocked for that post. I'm glad to hear you now sounding as if you've had second thoughts about throwing in your lot with Dseer. I'm sorry you got such poor advice from him; that wasn't your fault. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC). |
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:::Whatever mate, whatever... [[User:Mauna22|Mauna22]] ([[User talk:Mauna22|talk]]) 14:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC) |
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![]() | Note: I have page-banned myself from WP:ANI for three months in the hope of regaining some patience with the uselessness of so much of the commentary there. If I should forget and post there, my friendly stalkers and everybody else are urged to remove the post. Bishonen | talk 10:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC). |
![]() | This user has been blocked from editing Wikipedia 3 times. And the last admin blocked by Jimbo. The LAST. Don't trifle with her. |
only back
for a few things. i pretty much gave up on wiki. CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:45, 11 October 2015 (UTC
I kinda feel that he is following me around. IMHO. Even nominated one of my articles for deletion out of nowhere. [1] CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Gabbygate
Hi. I noticed your comments on Gabby Merger's Talk page, so I thought I would also draw your attention to this discussion, starting from here. Though I have frequently disagreed with Gabby in the past, she sought to draw me into her dispute with Jeppiz, continued the 'discussion' after I clearly indicated I was not interested in continuing, and then finished with a 'reminder' about my 'typical hasty arrogance', my "horrendous attitude", my "cold attitude" and how my "brain and biases won't allow" me to be 'nice' except "Maybe only with fellow anti-JWs, or anti-Bible types, and atheists perhaps". If you think any of my comments in the discussion were not appropriate, please let me know. This is not a specific request for admin action.--Jeffro77 (talk) 14:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for the information. Your typical hasty arrogance? Hmm. I'll take a look. Gabby knows now, or should know, that she's not allowed to attack people. Bishonen | talk 14:19, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- If you get particularly bored, you could also review the discussion now archived at User_talk:Jeffro77/Archive2015b#edits (and that's without the four time I had to prune it at the end[2][3][4][5]).--Jeffro77 (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm fine, thanks — the recent stuff will do me. I have posted a final warning on Gabby's page. In an attempt to fix the {{hat}} business, I tried to add a {{hab}} to close the hat, but that only made everything worse, presumably because there are other hats on the page. Groan. I don't really feel like spending the best years of my life straightening it out, especially considering I don't even know what kind of hatting she was trying to achieve, and may merely disoblige her if I try to help. So now my final warning post is invisible on the page along with everything else ... I hope she reads it through the history. I suppose my kind talkpage stalkers wouldn't like to help? But please note I don't guarantee you'll get any thanks from the user. Bishonen | talk 15:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- PS, John Carter took care of it. Bishonen | talk 19:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- Thanks. Yeah, there was one {{hat}} nested inside another. I think she saw a 'hatted' section on my Talk page and decided to do the same, but maybe didn't realise you have to {{hab}} them. I had some trouble following Gabby's reationale of deleting two large seemingly arbitrary blocks of discussion and then hatting other large chunks, but I shall leave that for her to sort out. After the recent rollercoaster of, essentially, 'I don't like you, but I want your opinion, and I still don't like you', I'm a bit worn out trying to work with her.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, you shouldn't try. That's definitely my advice. I understand you may edit the same pages and their article talkpages, but if I were you I really wouldn't encourage her to come to your page any more, or post on hers. Bishonen | talk 09:08, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
- I've deliberately stayed out of any contact with the user for days, hoping it would lead to tensions cooling down. Unfortunately the user continues making their WP activity mostly about me by the discussion this afternoon at Jeffro77's talk page. [6]. Their continued posting at Jeffro77's talk page after Jeffo77 has told them repeatedly to stay away follows the same pattern. Jeppiz (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- I know. I just warned her to leave him alone. Bishonen | talk 15:17, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
- I've deliberately stayed out of any contact with the user for days, hoping it would lead to tensions cooling down. Unfortunately the user continues making their WP activity mostly about me by the discussion this afternoon at Jeffro77's talk page. [6]. Their continued posting at Jeffro77's talk page after Jeffo77 has told them repeatedly to stay away follows the same pattern. Jeppiz (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, you shouldn't try. That's definitely my advice. I understand you may edit the same pages and their article talkpages, but if I were you I really wouldn't encourage her to come to your page any more, or post on hers. Bishonen | talk 09:08, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
- Thanks. Yeah, there was one {{hat}} nested inside another. I think she saw a 'hatted' section on my Talk page and decided to do the same, but maybe didn't realise you have to {{hab}} them. I had some trouble following Gabby's reationale of deleting two large seemingly arbitrary blocks of discussion and then hatting other large chunks, but I shall leave that for her to sort out. After the recent rollercoaster of, essentially, 'I don't like you, but I want your opinion, and I still don't like you', I'm a bit worn out trying to work with her.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- PS, John Carter took care of it. Bishonen | talk 19:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- I'm fine, thanks — the recent stuff will do me. I have posted a final warning on Gabby's page. In an attempt to fix the {{hat}} business, I tried to add a {{hab}} to close the hat, but that only made everything worse, presumably because there are other hats on the page. Groan. I don't really feel like spending the best years of my life straightening it out, especially considering I don't even know what kind of hatting she was trying to achieve, and may merely disoblige her if I try to help. So now my final warning post is invisible on the page along with everything else ... I hope she reads it through the history. I suppose my kind talkpage stalkers wouldn't like to help? But please note I don't guarantee you'll get any thanks from the user. Bishonen | talk 15:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- If you get particularly bored, you could also review the discussion now archived at User_talk:Jeffro77/Archive2015b#edits (and that's without the four time I had to prune it at the end[2][3][4][5]).--Jeffro77 (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Feedback
Hi Bish I was wondering if you could give me some feedback on my ANI report [7] that I feel was not dealt with properly and was closed unfairly. I took alot of abuse on that ANI that I feel was wrong and unacceptable. I'm not asking you to comment on ANI, I'm asking for feedback on what you think and how you feel on it because I really do not understand it at all. Thank you. Caden cool 18:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- A thorough review of the history of that section, and the comments related to it elsewhere, would probably be reasonable if you are to do so. John Carter (talk) 18:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Bish is a trusted admin who is fair and does her job properly. You have no need to worry. BTW could you please stop following me around John and stop commenting on my ANI report? I do not like it. Caden cool 18:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, Caden, it's too complicated for me, and basically I agree with Sarah here. Bishonen | talk 23:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- Its ok Bish, I no longer care anymore. I feel like quitting for good. Thanks anyway. Caden cool 23:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- I understand it's no fun, Caden. I hope you cheer up in a bit. Bishonen | talk 08:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
- (watching:] Caden, read in the spirale of justice wisdom from 1510, and don't expect it to change, certainly not in the WP:Great Dismal Swamp. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well Bish its very hard to do that when the same crap from yesterday has continued in to today. And Gerda thanks for that link. It was interesting. Caden cool 19:44, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Which link? Or both? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- ps: for an educated cry you may quote my latest cantata, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- It was the first link Gerda. Caden cool 20:01, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- You may be interested in the DYK hook on the talk, which I kept on my talk. Every time I look at your talk, I think you look like that pictured person ;) - I have a cat instead - also crying out, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well Bish its very hard to do that when the same crap from yesterday has continued in to today. And Gerda thanks for that link. It was interesting. Caden cool 19:44, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- (watching:] Caden, read in the spirale of justice wisdom from 1510, and don't expect it to change, certainly not in the WP:Great Dismal Swamp. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- I understand it's no fun, Caden. I hope you cheer up in a bit. Bishonen | talk 08:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
- Its ok Bish, I no longer care anymore. I feel like quitting for good. Thanks anyway. Caden cool 23:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, Caden, it's too complicated for me, and basically I agree with Sarah here. Bishonen | talk 23:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC).
- Bish is a trusted admin who is fair and does her job properly. You have no need to worry. BTW could you please stop following me around John and stop commenting on my ANI report? I do not like it. Caden cool 18:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you
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The Guidance Barnstar | |
Thanks for steering me in the right direction re Benjamin Genocchio. Penelope1114 (talk) 14:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC) |
Neat barnstar! Thank you! Bishonen | talk 15:21, 13 October 2015 (UTC).
Thank you
Thank you very much Bishonen. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Question for you
Bishonen, why would my revision to Benjamin Genocchio be reverted when the content is factual, reliably referenced and an improvement to the stub that previously existed? Other editors could improve upon those statements which could be more encyclopedic in tone while leaving a more informative article in place. Really appreciate your time and thoughts here. Penelope1114 (talk) 01:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's a lot to ask of other editors that they follow you around and tweak your additions on the page itself. And so, instead, they revert. I can understand that. I mean, you realize they're not being paid for their work. Like several other people, I've been urging you to follow best practice and propose changes on the talkpage, and then discuss them there. I haven't seen you respond to this suggestion, so I'll try to demonstrate with an example why the necessary discussion can't be carried out via edit summaries (and absolutely not via reverts back and forth); it needs to be hammered out on talk.
- Here's one point: it's not only a matter of style, but of proportion. In how great detail should facts and opinions be covered? As an example, I'm concerned about the section you called "International focus and art criticism".[8] I don't doubt that Genocchio has said that his art evaluation process begins with his belief that “artwork can channel the spiritual, challenge the mind and stimulate the senses,” or that “making art is one of the final arenas where there’s true freedom of expression". He's said it in interviews, these are quotes. But should they be reported in his Wikipedia bio? Not in my opinion. Also, when you describe these views, you often do it as it were from inside Genocchio's head — "Genocchio’s art evaluation process begins with his belief that" — "When Genocchio critiques a work of art, he considers", etc. As opposed to "Genocchio has said that his art evaluation process begins with his belief that “artwork can channel the spiritual, challenge the mind and stimulate the senses,” "Genocchgio has decribed.." etc. The sources are reliable, for statements that Genocchio has made in them, but interviews in, say The Weekend Australian, a lifestyle magazine, don't exactly tend to show the notability of such self-descriptions. In my opinion. I would remove the second and third paragraph in that section altogether. (As well as change the "meaningless-variation" artsy word "penned" in the first.) Please present your overhaul a section at a time on the talkpage. Also, it's better to put more general discussion on the talkpage too. I mean, you are absolutely welcome on my page, but the question you have asked me would actually go better on article talk. For more eyes. I think I'll go there now and put a link to our interchange. Bishonen | talk 08:46, 14 October 2015 (UTC).
ugghhh
Hey Bish - how the hell ya doin? Miss talkin to ya. How's the kids? Little ankle biter still got those sharp teeth? How's the honorable monster? You talked to Floz? . he ok? I saw Giano poked his head in a while back - but I was so busy that I didn't talk to him myself. Anyway - just wanted to drop by and say hey. hugs. — Ched : ? 05:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Cheddie! Florence is good in himself, just pissed off with Wikipedia. I'm thinking of sending the anklebiter to visit some editors I've been, uh, "interacting" with recently. Or Bishzilla, but she tends to be too mellow for my purposes these days. Bishonen | talk 12:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
Discretionary sanctions alert
Hi Bishonen. I wonder: is user:Joshua Jonathan being investigated on the same grounds?
I mean, I am denouncing harassment coming from this user only to I find that is me who is being investigated. All of a sudden editors appear on his support even using awkward statements and being so hasty, taking decisions in very little time, when the issue at stake is a complicated one. Mauna22 (talk) 06:27, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- The DSA is well-known to me. Actually, I considered myself to post it at your talkpage. I think you should familiarize yourself with Wiki-policies, instead of abusing terms like WP:HARASSMENT. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Investigated? What makes you think you're being investigated? Perhaps you didn't notice the line at the top of my discretionary sanctions alert: This message ... does not imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date. Italics and bolding in the original. But what I see on your page after you got the alert forces me to warn you: the more you assume bad faith, and the more you follow the lead of User:Dseer, who I have just blocked for the personal attacks on your page, the more likely you are to be sanctioned, up to and including a topic ban or an indefinite block. As for Joshua Jonathan, he's well aware of the discretionary sanctions in the area in question. Your talk, here and on WP:ANI, of "harassment" by him is absurd. Please click on the policy links in this message, you will find them informative. Bishonen | talk 09:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
- Hi! I didn´t mean harassment towards me myself but rather to the article at stake.
- "What makes you think you're being investigated?" This [9]
- As for User:Dseer commentaries I understand I cannot/should not erase them. Not even my own user talk page. Mauna22 (talk) 10:51, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- You protested, with reference to my discretionary sanctions alert, against being investigated. It turns out you're referring to a checkuser investigation (not performed by me) of your account, mentioned at a sockpuppet investigation that's nothing to do with me. Ask Bbb23 about the investigation of your account, if you want to ask somebody. The reason seems clear to me from the SPI, but if it's confusing to you, you should ask. I've no idea why you bring that here.
- Only people are capable of being harassed, not objects such as articles. Look up the word, or, as Joshua Jonathan has already suggested, read the harassment policy.
- Your understanding about removing comments is mistaken. You may remove any posts you like from your own talkpage, see WP:REMOVED. But I haven't been blaming you for Dseer's comments, or suggesting you ought to remove them — have I? No, and I'm not now. I was warning you against following his lead. That was because you explicitly expressed appreciation of his words,[10] with reference to a post that included the word "Nazi" (thrown at specific editors). He has been blocked for that post. I'm glad to hear you now sounding as if you've had second thoughts about throwing in your lot with Dseer. I'm sorry you got such poor advice from him; that wasn't your fault. Bishonen | talk 12:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC).
- Whatever mate, whatever... Mauna22 (talk) 14:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)