User talk:HarryCane

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- Mailer Diablo 20:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nothing Gold Can Stay Query

I appreciate your messaging me but I don't understand why what I did was "all wrong" and something that I "Can't Do". The album is named for the poem which pre-dates it by several years, it makes no sense to have an article based upon a name-sake, reference to 'Nothing Gold Can Stay' as the main article and the original work and source of the name as a subsiduary article. An original work will clearly take precedent over later references to the work in any encylopaedia, the New Found Glory article being there first makes no difference to this. You also did a very messy job on your revert, needlessly removing clearly pertinent links to Robert Frost and his poem as well as leaving many links going to the wrong place which you didn't bother to fix. If you're going to make changes you could at least do so without reducing the usefulness of numerous other articles in the process.

Nothing Gold Can Stay redux

Hello, HarryCane. I thought I'd inform you that User:MagicBez has requested outside assistance at WP:MEDCAB regarding the article Nothing Gold Can Stay. I just wanted to run a suggestion by you, and see if you'd be alright with it.

You were correct in reverting his change to the article, as he cut and pasted the text rather than properly moving the entire thing. However, I don't think the article should stay where it is. I would personally change it to a disambiguation page, with the current text moved to Nothing Gold Can Stay (album) and with Robert Frost's poem at Nothing Gold Can Stay (poem). Are you okay with that? Robert ^{T | @ | C} 05:25, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. (I also left a note on MagicBez's talk page about this as well.)

NGCS (aside)

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what was the "false information" that I put into the album article?MagicBez 05:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

NGCS (aside)

I'll do a google later and find an interview where the band talk about it. It's a very famous poem and the album (and album cover image) are a direct reference to the message of the poem. Chances are that they referenced it via the Outsiders "stay gold ponyboy" and all that but that's where the title comes from.

NGCS (aside)

OK a very quick google search turned up this quote from the QandA section of newfoundglory.com: "I was sitting in English class the other day and my teacher gave us a poem to read... Nothing Gold Can Stay by Robert Frost and I was wondering if you named your album after that or is it totally irrelevant? (asked by dropkicktims)" STEVE: Indirectly it is named after the poem, but we really did it because of the movie "The Outsiders."

A Google cache of the site can be found at: [1] Am I OK to edit this back into the article now?

Members x Line-up

While it is perfectly fine to use Members, that's what we normally use for "groups". In the case of "bands", we generally use Line-up. Regards, --Sn0wflake 16:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I have nothing to do with that project overthrown by clueless newbies, and as such, consider anything which comes from it as non-canon. Do whatever you want, this encyclopedia is coming apart anyway. Nobody gives a fuck anymore. Forget I gave you a suggestion. --Sn0wflake 16:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The Starting Line Spam?

Hey, I wasn't trying to spam anything, A bunch of people messaged me from livejournal and recommended that I change the picture, as they thought it was better than what was up there previously... No harm meant :-)

User:HarryCane/images

Hi, since we are not allowed to display fair use images on user pages and user subpages (see Wikipedia:Fair use#Fair use policy) I took the liberty of turning your image gallery into a list of links instead. If any of them where free licensed feel free to place those images in a gallery, but leave the fair use ones as a list. Thanks. --Sherool (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

hellogoodbye Lowercase title

The band's name is not capitalized. It should be hellogoodbye and not Hellogoodbye. I had changed all of the problems with the capitalization until you decided it was necessary to undo everything I did. If you need proof, here are some sites that can prove it;

• [2]
• [3]

--Russ is the sex 17:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

This Disaster DVD Cover

Thanks for getting a better picture. It looks a lot better. Sharpdust 17:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay...

So I guess it's okay for others to keep editing information you scold me about, incorrectly I may add. Right. Whatever. RattleandHum

Lanemeyer

The info you requested on Lanemeyer's "Songs We Hated The Least"

18 tracks, was given away for free at their FIRST reunion show, dated December 26, 2003. CDR with a b&w printed label, slimline jewel case. No sleeve or sleeve art. Track list is as follows:

1. Another Lonely Winter
2. Broken Dream November
3. Figure It Out
4. For Britt
5. Fuck You And Your Boyfriend
6. Grovers Corners NJ
7. Long Letter Goodbye
8. My Very Own Winnie Cooper
9. Socko In The Ring
10. Take Two
11. Thursday
12. What A Shitty Summer
13. Where's My Letter
14. With Or Without You
15. Don't Hate Me
16. CKone
17. Me And You On The Big Screen
18. (Bonus Song) Day At The Fair - Eastern Homes and Western Hearts

If you're going to make changes to the article, please post them on the discussion page first. Thanks! TearJohnDown 22:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Starting Line tracks

Where is this Wikipedia policy you speak of? And what common usage are you referring to? Every band page I see on here lists songs that are not on any of their albums. I don't understand what the problem is. These songs were recorded for "Based on a True Story" but were cut when the album was released. They have since been RELEASED BY THE BAND on their webpages. It's not like these songs are bootlegged live recordings or anything like that. I'll put this in the Starting Line discussion page and see what others have to say so this dispute can be worked out. User:12.5.1.207 14:11, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging for Image:Dingsbums.jpg

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P!ATD "I Write Sins, Not Tragedies" page

Thanks for cleaning that up, I appreciate it.

P!ATD Formation Date

The band formed in 2004, please do not revert my change!

Yellowcard

Hi, there! I saw that you've contributed to the Yellowcard page. I've been working hard all weekend to get it into an encyclopedia-worthy article, and I think we're almost there!

There's a short list of things that still need some work at the bottom of the talk page. If you could take a look at it, maybe add more things to do, or clean up whatever you see needs work, I would sure appreciate it.

Thanks for your help. Have an awesome day! Cathryn 10:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The All-American Rejects

Please do not revert my copyediting on this article. I realized that you are the primary contributor on that article, but you do not own the article. Therefore, let other people make necessary (especially copyediting) style changes. You reverted a good faith edit and treated as if it was vandalism. Also, you accused me of changing the genre, which I did not. I only changed the prose to say rock band instead of power pop. "Rock band" is what they are and I don't consider that a genre. Please reply here on your talk page if you have any questions or comments for me. Thanks. Sarbox 17:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, with power pop being a subgenre of rock and roll, changing power pop band to rock band is an unnecessary generalisation of the type of music the band plays. And the em dash is not used in this context, to keep the article on par with other band and album articles (see the guidelines). Hence, changing it is most definitely not a "necessary style change". Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) also gives insight on when to use which dash (in this case: "Em dashes are sometimes used incorrectly to separate lists of items from their definitions."). I'm changing it back, but if you still disagree, we should take this discussion to Talk:The All-American Rejects. --HarryCane 17:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image:RushmoreLogo.jpg

The image does have a source, it says it's the logo of Rushmore Records, wich means it's copyrighted by Rushmore Records, that's all we need to know. Sure yes it doesn't spesify an URL, but a bit of common sense can be applied to these things. The source is supposed to tell us who own the copyright to this image, and in this case saying who's logo it is is sufficient, the company own the copyright to theyr logo regardles of where the image was downloaded from or who drew that particular version of it. See for example Category talk:Images with unknown source#Sources again for a relevant discussion about this. --Sherool (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

^{Copied from my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)}

The description "The logo for the Record Label Rushmore Records" does not qualify as a detailed source description. The {{logo}}-tag even tells you to add a fair use rationale and a description of the work's source and copyright status. Also, the PUI-tag says not to remove it while the question is being considered. As far as Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images goes, it still is, so the tag shouldn't be removed. --HarryCane 15:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure the source could have been better, but it does not qualify as "no source" either. Applying common sense is allowed, we know it's the logo of Rushmore Records and therefore copyrighted by Rushmore Records, exactly what about the copyright status do you consider to be unclear? There are a lot of gray area cases, but IMHO this and most other logos are not one of them (see Template talk:No source#Logos for another related discussion). I just think your efforts could be better spent on genuinely problematic images, like making sure fair use in... type images have fair use rationales, since there is an actual policy to delete those if they don't have a rationale (see {{no rationale}}), of tracking down images that have no source and where the origin is not self-evident. --Sherool (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Although no consensus was reached in the end, I still wanted to thank you for your vote in my recent RfA. Thank you very much. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 17:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The Parachute

• If anything, the mention should be merged into hellogoodbye. The speedy delete was not necesary, no need to get so pissed off.--Russ is the sex 01:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Sorry, I was a tad angry that day. No worries, happy now. I'll add the source, it's Forrest himself.--Russ is the sex 14:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Question about your page move

Hi, I had a question about your page move of Cute Is What We Aim For to Cute Is What We Aim for. You referenced Wikipedia:Naming conventions as the reason for this change, however, this policy states, "In titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for)..." Since this is not a song or album but instead the band's name, it seems this policy would not apply. Would you have any concerns about reverting this? Regards, Accurizer 12:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your response on my talk page. I posted a question regarding this policy at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#Interpretation of "Album titles and band names" because I think either way, the policy could be made more clear. Please take a look at the way I phrased the question and add to it or comment if you would like. Thanks. Regards, Accurizer 12:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

The "last word" part may have escaped you because I added it to the guideline recently :-) I did it because all the capitalization guidelines I found on the Internet recommend capitalizing the last word of a title (for example see [4] [5] [6]). Nobody opposed to this change so I guess it's OK. Jogers (talk) 13:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Allister

They are stubs because there are no personnel/credits listed; producers, engineers, additional musicians etc Jubella 17:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

rxbandits

dude, get over yourself. you are no authority of wikipedia. cool your jets son. Love, Myxomatosis 21:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

yeah will do. I never said you were wrong though... on a side note are you sure the new Rx Bandits was released? The reason being is because it has a street date in October. I know they wanted to release it now but they had a posting on their site saying it was in October. -Myxomatosis 20:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

nice, I won't have the money to see them on their current tour so I pre-ordered it too. It's probably their best work. Although I am very partial to Progress. Should be put October 10, as a release date too then? -Myxomatosis 20:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Something Corporate

Thanks for reverting my changes to the Something Corporate page, reguarding the song "If You C Jordan." You stated your caps are according to the Audioboxer EP. Need I remind you of Wikipedia's capitalisation policies for bands, albums, and song titles? I think you already know yourself judging by what you left on user Russ_is_the_sex's page. "I reverted your edits to the Zombies! Aliens! Vampires! Dinosaurs! article. On Wikipedia, we go by guidelines for song titles and section headers, not by the capitalisation posted on the band's official homepage. Regards, HarryCane 16:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)"

I will go ahead and revert to my previous correct changes. Thanks.

-68.90.192.190 17:41, 8 July 2006

If you see WP:NC#Album_titles_and_band_names, you will notice that it clearly says:

Convention: In band names and titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title ...

Meaning, the song "iF yoU C Jordan" has a unique capitalisation intentional by the artist (the intention being emphasizing the letters to spell out "FUC Jordan"). The hellogoodbye situation was entirely different, as it was just messed up due to a different style guide the homepage was using, and by no means an official unique spelling. Have a good day, HarryCane 11:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Question about vandal IP

You said that vandal IP you told me about created Atticus675 as an account. Was a Request for CheckUser run and came up conclusive? Get back to me when you find that out. Also, I recommend posting a notice about that IP at Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. That's more than simple vandalism, and an admin may be able to do more than I can. Good luck. --Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 17:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

More P!atD

Consider talking about removed wiki band style templates off page before removing because of your disinterest in one user Hackajar 12:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Look, if you take a look at the suggestion I made on Talk:Panic! at the Disco, that was a whole day before you voted on the The_Only_Difference_Between_Martyrdom_And_Suicide_Is_Press_Coverage deletion debate. And even if it wasn't, I couldn't care less what for or if at all you voted. If you would also look at my contributions history, I reverted your edits to the Panic! at the Disco article before I even took a look at your talk page and saw you blanked it — I didn't even know you voted on the deletion debate. Not because of my so-called "disinterest in one user", but because you made a whole mess of the discography, I reverted your changes. Here are some of your mistakes:

• "#24 Australia" shouldn't be in the column U.K. album-chart position
• excessive overlinking of years
• excessive overlinking of A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
• why making a U.S. and U.K. sales column with no content?
• you made a seperate section for "Other Charts" (which btw shouldn't be capitalised), thus listing every single twice, even though "Lying Is the Most Fun a Girl Can Have without Taking Her Clothes Off" didn't chart on any other charts

Please understand, I did none of these edits to spite you, only to constructively add to the article's appearance and clarity. If you want to make these kinds of changes, you need to discuss it first on the talk page, especially when a discussion concerning that matter has already been started. --HarryCane 12:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

See my talk page for responses (and google 'hackajar' sometime I'm not some snooty wiki squatter) Hackajar 13:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• I noticed you were a Wiki Admin, so sorry about all this...Oh wait, your NOT nevermind Hackajar 15:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Removal of your speedy tag

Hey -- apparently it is an image from a music video. I agree the fair use claim is not being used properly, but CSD I7 only goes so far. For instance, if it had been tagged with {{logo}}, which is truly patently unrelated to the image, I would have deleted it. Unfortunately in cases like this, speedy deletion is not the answer. However, I'm going to go remove it from any articles it is used improperly in, and mark it as orphaned if I remove it from all of them. Mangojuice^talk 14:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Celebrity Impersonation?

Who said I wasn't? I'm just bored while we're not doing anything in Europe. Not changing my name.

-Jon