Talk:Companion (Doctor Who)

Jamie's count

Jamie is listed as having "21 (20 as companion)" appearances with the Second Doctor. Similarly, Zoe is listed as "9 (8 as companion)". The discrepancy appears to refer to The Five Doctors, where both appear to the second Doctor as illusions. He appears in 20 stories in the 60s (Highlanders to War Games), but doesn't Jamie's apperance in The Two Doctors also count as a legit companion apperance with the Second Doctor? So shouldn't it be "22 (21 as companion)"? 31.186.113.106 (talk) 18:56, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we should count "The Five Doctors" as an appearance as if I recall we don't count Adric's cameo in "Time-Flight" or Amy's cameo in "The Time of the Doctor" as an appearance. So keep it at 21 appearances for Jamie and 8 for Zoe. BlueBlue11 (talk) 18:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Rigsy

Are we counting Rigsy as a companion? BlueBlue11 (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I think we should, since he's had as many appearances as Craig (who's listed as a companion) and he never even saw the TARDIS. Although maybe it's more appropriate to list him as Clara's companion rather than the Doctor's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.103.35 (talk) 10:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The current consensus is to cite a reliable source so that we avoid original research and POV. DonQuixote (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

What consensus? There was one reply to this discussion. Alex|The|Whovian 18:11, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Review the various talk page archives. This has been discussed numerous times. DonQuixote (talk) 18:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Companion deaths

ive moved clara from mitigated deaths as hell bent did not undo face the raven 88.107.190.133 (talk) 12:14, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

How did it not? Alex|The|Whovian 12:21, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

as as it is stated that it is a fixst point in time and that Clara will have to go bake in the episode no mater how long she an Ashildr spend traveling in there tardis aswell as the fact that she is frozen just before her death88.107.190.133 (talk) 13:03, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, there was at least one previous "fixed point in time" which became unfixed, that is the death of The Doctor at Lake Silencio, which became unfixed in The Wedding of River Song. I don't think the Teselecta would fool the Quantum Shades, though, but I could imagine a resolution not resulting in a permanent death for Clara. Perhaps Me did it at the time, even though she said she couldn't.

But this is all speculation. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:06, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Clara's death in face the Raven was not uone done in hell bent as the events of the episode and her time traveling with me are stated to take place during the last seconds be for her death from Claras point of view. where as the other deaths in the mitigated are ether in alternative realties dreams or strat fowed resurrections rivers death is mitergat not because younger version of the character appears but because her mind is uploaded to a computer and even appears after the death from her point of view 2.103.93.46 (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

It is very difficult to understand what you are saying - please make some efforts with capitalisation, spelling and grammar. None of the recent edits were improvements. Mezigue (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

One episode or one story

I've moved as astrid death as with as serial show like doctor who it doesn't make sense to use one episode as a dividing line As characters whuood be decided between the seacshons depending on whether they appear in a multiple part story or a one parte as withe shera kingdom and astrid peth where the only real difference as companies is the number of episodes in the story they appear in 2.103.93.46 (talk) 07:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Adelaide brooks death

Should Adelaide brook be in the of screen and presumed section as we did se a flash of light as she died and news reports as well as it is a major part of the episode but then the same could be said for Amy and Rory 2.103.93.46 (talk) 22:51, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

No. Please stop tinkering with this - none of what you are doing makes any sense. Mezigue (talk) 23:35, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Clara's death

Clara's death in face the Raven was not undone done in hell bent as the events of the episode and her time travelling with me are stated to take place during the last seconds be for her death from Clara’s point of view. whereas the other deaths in the mitigated are ether in alternative realties (the older Amy pond in the girl who waited) dreams (Rory in Amy’s choice) or strait forward resurrections (grace in the tv move) rivers death is mitigate not because younger version of the character appears but because her mind is uploaded to a computer and even appears after the death from her point of view all of this means that Clara still dies on trap street in face the raven.2.103.93.46 (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No. She is no longer properly dead in the next episode and still not by the end of the series. I don't even understand quite what you are arguing but you make no sense. Mezigue (talk) 12:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

But Clara’s death is the only one in the mitigated section that in the description says that she will have to go bake to that death eventually. Plus the fact that Clara’s death cannot be changed and the doctor cannot accept it is why the doctor’s memory of Clara has to be erased in the episode the only different after hell bent is that Clara and me have adventures in there own tardis before Clara goes bake to hear death.2.103.93.46 (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

You are making things unnecessarily complicated. Everyone dies in the end but Clara is not dead once the story ends, which is what matters when writing about fiction. Mezigue (talk) 17:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

But as a result of time travel we have see her die and then at an earlier part of the story of Clara Oswald it’s not that different to how river song showed up in the wrong order meaning it was still a permeate death shown on screen 2.103.93.46 (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

as shown on the tardis wiki page about clara http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Clara_Oswald this may not be a source accepted by Wikipedia but it dose accurately reflect what happens in the episodes2.103.93.46 (talk) 18:30, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No. You are making no sense and your edits are poorly written. Could you please stop this? Mezigue (talk) 18:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Spin off daths

Should spi off's even be in the death section as they are not metond any where else on this page 31.90.223.171 (talk) 08:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Companion deaths redux

I have been trying unsuccessfully so far to prevent an unregistered editor from messing up this section further, and hopefully that will get resolved, but to be honest this section is a big mess to start with and looking at the history I see that it has gone through a lot of changes over time. Can we come to some sort of consensus on a new structure, because a lot of the material there is redundant between the main section and the "list" subsection which is not really a list anyway. "Mitigated" is also a strange choice of word here, I think. Mezigue (talk) 08:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I've requested page protection and warned one of the IPs about edit warring. If it's reverted again I'll request the IP be blocked. GimliDotNet (talk) 11:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The section as a whole is complete cruft and should be deleted.Eshlare (talk) 16:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

personally the list of deaths should be cheap but it does need to be modified from its current form.

1st of all the permanent deaths should be one section and a simple list of deaths. That are part of the episode or story and characters should be included even if pre death versions of the character reaper in future episodes as happened with Clara. The only exception should be when a character is revealed to have died years after they last appear. The list should simply in clued the name and course of death as well as any notes deemed necessary.

2nd of all mitigated deaths potbelly should be deleted interlay

And last of all the spin offs should only refer to TV companions that die in these media2.103.93.46 (talk) 17:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

can we please have some more input into this discussion 2.103.93.46 (talk) 19:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)