Talk:Companion (Doctor Who)

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Adelaide brooks death[edit]

Should Adelaide brook be in the of screen and presumed section as we did se a flash of light as she died and news reports as well as it is a major part of the episode but then the same could be said for Amy and Rory 2.103.93.46 (talk) 22:51, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

No. Please stop tinkering with this - none of what you are doing makes any sense. Mezigue (talk) 23:35, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

The question is moot, since Adelaide Brooks shouldn't even be on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.114.69 (talk) 15:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

River Song[edit]

River Song is one of the doctors companions. That someone has an axe to grind is irrelevant. We do not demand sources with the word "companion" for anyone else who travels in the Tardis with The Doctor - it's just in this case some editors seem to be demanding it? She is described in the BBC blogs as a companion, we don't need that verified for every single episode she is in. GimliDotNet (talk) 07:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

"She is described in the BBC blogs as a companion": Where is this source that explicitly refers to River Song as a companion? Certainly not the one you're adding; the word "companion" makes zero appearances. Alex|The|Whovian 07:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
The word companion doesn't have to appear, or have you checked every source for every companion on this page, with a reference for every episode you've counted? She is described as a companion here http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows//blog/2012/01/a-companion-to-the-doctors-companions-river-song. That's good enough, don't like it - at least apply the same criteria to every episode that every companion has ever appeared in or remove them too, or provide a source hat says she's not a companion and can be excluded from our normal criteria. GimliDotNet (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Invalid. That is a four-year-old source that does not apply to her episode with the Twelfth Doctor whatsoever. And why is a source (apparently) needed for "every episode"? Alex|The|Whovian 08:01, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
not an invalid source she is a companion with a weird timeline, and this adventure was mentioned the first time she appeared. You're demanding a special reference that describes someone traveling in the tardis with the doctor as a companion to be described as a companion. If that's the criteria for inclusion we need to apply it accross the board for every episode every companion is in. GimliDotNet (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Please indent your replies accordingly. One article doesn't mean that she's permanently a companion, given her status as a recurring character. WeWikipedia requires a source for this particular episode, given that it is a one-off special, a one-off appearance, and the character's first and only appearance alongside this Doctor.
can you point to concencus were "we" agreed that criteria? GimliDotNet (talk) 08:28, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I fixed it. Alex|The|Whovian 08:31, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I've looked and looked, and can't find a Wikipedia policy that states companions in single episodes require greater verification than those that appear in more than one. I can only surmise that this is your opinion, and not policy and therefore up for debate. GimliDotNet (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Then explain with your own words why this should be allowed to go unsourced, where this is a point completely unrelated to previous occurrences of the character that has appeared in a different manner of episodes. Alex|The|Whovian 12:10, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Please stop saying it's not sourced, it is. You reject the source as the word companion doesn't appear in it, despite this not being a requirement for the other companions. GimliDotNet (talk) 12:13, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I will continue to state that it is not sourced, due to the fact that your source is completely void of anything (word or not) appearing that dictates that River Song was an official companion. Alex|The|Whovian 12:14, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Again you chose to ignore this requirement for other companions. No point debating, this is a clear case of WP:OWN GimliDotNet (talk) 12:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Trying to discuss this, and you throw completely unfounded accusations that you've undoubtedly not even read at those who disagree with you. Obviously a lost case here. Alex|The|Whovian 12:31, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm with AlexTheWhovian on this one. Because of the one-off nature of the special, a source describing River Song as a companion is needed before we can add her to the companions list. I personally am of the opinion (and have stated it before on other pages) that one-off's, in my mind, shouldn't count as companions AT ALL, but I think that I am in the minority on that one. And if you can find a RS that states that she is a companion then so be it. But until then, River Song should not be added as a companion of the Twelfth Doctor. And the source you gave Gimli does not fit that bill, as it is from before the Twelfth even existed. Vyselink (talk) 15:13, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

She flies the TARDIS, she drives the action, she decides what they will do and where they will go, while he tags along and is surprised to see that it is "bigger on the inside." Come on, guys, it is abundantly clear that Doctor Song is "The Doctor" and the gray-haired guy is the companion, until the last few minutes of the episode!! (I'm helping - right?).
Kidding aside, I'd like to see her count as a companion for Christmas 2015, but this is such a special and unique situation, a (potential) one-off with the Twelfth Doctor, a Christmas Special role rather than an ongoing series role, a wife who is (unknowingly) "borrowing" her husband in an equal role rather than supporting him in an escapade... these circumstances are troublesome to define on their own, but together they make this a very complicated call. It is complicated enough that a clear and "current" source should be found. I'm sincere in saying that I'm pulling for GimliDotNet, but this one is too unique to proceed without a source specific to this episode. (please, please, let that source exist - or I imagine that this will be edited and undone countless times over the coming years!). Stupid question (I know, so you don't have to tell me it's stupid), but is there a public website for BBC that might answer this question, if asked? Jmg38 (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why she isn't a companion in "The Husbands of River Song", she was credited in the opening titles and was with the Doctor for the entire episode. 5.67.73.51 (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
We don't use the opening credits as a basis. Jenna was credited first in Death in Heaven - does that make her the Doctor? No. Alex|The|Whovian 23:14, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
You need to cite a reliable source that says that, otherwise it's original research and synthesis--especially since John Simm was also credited in the opening titles. DonQuixote (talk) 01:10, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand why there is any debate as she's more of a companion hear than I any other episode 2.26.206.85 (talk) 00:09, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
That's your opinion and not the citation of a reliable source. DonQuixote (talk) 01:12, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
just pointing out that it does not make sense that she's not a companion in husbands or any post wedding episode 2.26.206.85 (talk) 11:20, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Again, all your own view. This is not a forum to discuss what you personally believe. Alex|The|Whovian 11:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

[1] From the BBC Worldwide site... So, should River be added as a companion of Twelve now? Intyre (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Quote from Steven Moffat in the DWM's 500th issue: "So there’ll be somebody else – a different, guest companion – this Christmas, like how River Song played the companion role in last year’s special".[2] Intyre (talk) 21:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect reverting[edit]

I'm a victim of IP bias at the moment. My attempts to include updated information regarding Clara Oswald, in particular the correction of a factual error in the chart, keeps getting reverted. Maybe someone who has actually seen the episode The Snowmen and who is registered can make the edit if it gets reverted again. Or does Wikipedia not care about accuracy anymore? 68.146.233.86 (talk) 21:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, first and foremost, you need a source stating that in "Heaven Sent", she was played by a body double, else this is your own original research. I see no issue with the rest. Alex|The|Whovian? 22:11, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Bill's inclusion[edit]

OK, despite the clear process of WP:BRD and my invitation to discuss I don't want to get sucked into an edit war so I'm going to open it to the floor: why does Bill not appearing yet mean she shouldn't be listed on the article? Nardole and that bizarre "TBA" placeholder for Christmas 2016 I get, but Bill is directly and verifiably named as a "companion" in pretty much all secondary sources and the promotional build-up to her character's reveal. What's the issue with including her here? I don't see one. We know she's coming, we know when, and we know she's a companion. U-Mos (talk) 09:36, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

No - she is directly and verifiably named as a future companion, at which point she can be included in the list. As I've said before, Doctor Who travels into the future but Wikipedia does not. Mezigue (talk) 09:48, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you need to actually back up why that should be the case, rather than just repeatedly stating it. Why does her episodes not being broadcast yet mean we should be bypassing verifiable information? Do we not have information about series 10 episodes because they haven't been on yet? This is a fictional narrative: past/present/future is of no real consequence. You've offered no rationale for your point of view. U-Mos (talk) 22:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
My two bits, Mackie has been contracted and has filmed scenes. This can be mentioned in prose. The character itself has appeared in one promotional video. DonQuixote (talk) 17:47, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

New Table[edit]

Could some sort of quick and easy-to-read table(s) be created for this page? Much like the one I threw together below based on the template of another show. Obviously things like Christmas specials will have to be figured out but still - some sort of overview? 109.151.163.87 (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Actor/Actress Character Appearances
Series 1 Series 2 Series 3 Series 4 Specials Series 5 Series 6 Series 7 Series 8 Series 9
Billie Piper Rose Tyler Starring Starring Recurring
Noel Clarke Mickey Smith Recurring Recurring
Bruno Langley Adam Mitchell Recurring
John Barrowman Jack Harkness Recurring Recurring Starring Recurring
Elisabeth Sladen Sarah Jane Smith Recurring Starring Recurring
Catherine Tate Donna Noble Recurring Starring Recurring
Freema Agyeman Martha Jones Starring Recurring
Kylie Minogue Astrid Peth Starring
Bernard Cribbins Wilfred Mott Recurring Starring
David Morrissey Jackson Lake Starring
Michelle Ryan Lady Christina de Souza Starring
Lindsay Duncan Adelaide Brooke Starring
Alex Kingston River Song Recurring Recurring
Karen Gillan Amy Pond Starring
Arthur Darvill Rory Williams Recurring Starring
James Corden Craig Owens Recurring
Jenna Coleman Clara Oswald Starring
Dearest Gods, no. These sorts of tables have become deprecated through many discussions at MOS:TV and WT:TV. And what exactly defines "Recurring" in these particular cases? Alex|The|Whovian? 22:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
People who weren't credited in the titles? Like the main companions. 109.151.163.87 (talk) 10:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's quite right for here, but you've obviously put some work into it and I think it is beneficial to have something that distinguishes between starring/recurring/guest characters post-2005, where there are companions who don't star and (occasionally) stars who aren't companions. So I've taken the liberty of adapting the grid above and replacing the rather lacking table from List of Doctor Who cast members#2005 - 2015. Its intention is now to list the starring actors from the series, rather than just companions, which I think gives it more worth. Hope you approve! U-Mos (talk) 12:52, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
That is great thanks. Although I think the top of that particular page should just be for the starring companions like it has been previously. I don't know though. It's hard with a show like this which has Christmas specials that you don't know should be considered a part of other full series. 109.151.163.87 (talk) 14:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)