Talk:List of slaves

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I deleted Philemon from this list, since his article doesn't mention that he was a slave. RickK 04:20, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Good thing it doesn't mention that, because it's not true! Philemon was a Christian slave-owner; St. Paul sent the escaped slave Onesimus back to him with the Epistle to Philemon. - Nunh-huh 04:33, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

PCness?

Well, there has been some debate about someone being a slave & someone who is enslaved. Such as there being slight irritation that Lincoln freed the slaves but didn't free the black man. In other words, he freed them, but still considered them slaves.

That's why I chose the word "Famous People In Slavery" from the "Slaves" page. This isn't a major sticking point as the distinction is slight & from what I understand it isn't that big of a deal at this point. However, if we could start thinking in that direction, perhaps we'd find a better way to title this article? --Duemellon 15:27, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Disagree with list

Yes, slavery has been a fact in many countries through history, but it seems arbitrary to list people here from so many different cultures and different centuries where the circumstances are very different. Slavery as a "category" would appear to cover that aspect. Yes, I read the limited discussion on keeping this list.Parkwells (talk)

That is a narrow-minded and not very neutral point of view. Slavery is wrong no matter what colour of skin, and no matter which country you are from. People should be aware, that people of all nationalitys have been slaves. There is nothing wrong with the truth. --85.226.44.74 (talk) 15:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

If we let all countrys mind their own matters, then we will have no information here on wiki about any other countrys than the English speaking ones. Your oppinion does not give the impression of NPOV.--85.226.44.74 (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Honestly @Parkwells: has a point. Though I haven't fully reviewed the list, it seems that the list is comprised of people who were in slavery at a point when it existed as a legal institution in someway. The above IP is highly narrowminded with his comments. While certainly it is 2014 and Slavery is wrong by our Values, that is relatively modern. The IPs position also highlights a POV.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:41, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the edit history of this discussion, User: Parkwells actually edited the first text in this discussion on 16 May 2014, years after the IP-number commented it, so the comment of the IP-number now appears to answer a totally different text than he/she did originally. The original first comment of this discussion was:

Quote: Most of the people listed seem to have some kind of fame or public knowledge. Is this just a list anyone can add to for names of :people who were enslaved? For instance, thirty-three people who were held by the Major James Bulloch family in Roswell, GA have been :identified by name (first name only) and memorialized on a plaque at the grounds of Bulloch Hall. So if I wanted to make the effort, they :could also be listed here, right? From reading a lot in this area, I think it's better to use the term "enslaved person/Africa/African-:American". Then you are reminded there was a person there, and that's why many historians have adopted that term. "Slave" is more abstract. :Yes, slavery has been a fact in many countries through history, but we shouldn't forgot what it has meant to the American experience, or :anywhere else. The development of slavery in the United States and changes through the years before the Civil War were too important to gloss :over as "everyone did it". Labor derived from slavery was a fundamental part of the economy, the slave trade contributed to wealth North and :South, unresolved issues of social justice are being worked on today. Did you know that in 1840 New Orleans was the third largest city in the :country and THE wealthiest? - partly because it had the biggest slave market in the country and also because of the huge shipping up and down :the Mississippi River, and import-export.Don't worry so much about not being US-centric that we lose a huge part of US history. I think other :countries can take care of their own discussions. Preceding unsigned comment added by :Parkwells (talk contribs) 14:41, 28 September 2007 End Quote.

This text above is what IP 85.226.44.74 originally commented on, not the text Parkwell has pasted in 2014. This must be pointed out: It must be clear what the IP originally commented on. When I saw Parkwells edit, I was close to reverting it, and wondered if it was truly according to rules to make such an edit, which discredited the whole discussion and made it appear different from what it was. My opinion is that a list consisted of only people enslaved in the united states is certainly narrow-minded, breaks NPOV and damage the use of Wikipedia as an international Encyclopedia. Thank you--Aciram (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to discredit the discussion but to emphasize my main point, which had changed in 7 years. Here, I'm repeating my comment that a list of individuals from different places and different times, whose only reason to be on the list is that they have been documented as slaves, is not very useful. It takes individuals out of context and meaning to add them all to such a list. What is the point of this list? It doesn't tell you how slavery compared over time, or by time and place/society, etc. I don't think a list of persons enslaved in the US through three centuries is very useful either. As someone noted, an issue of classification can be satisfied by a category, rather than a list.Parkwells (talk) 04:13, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

You should not have removed your edit and replaced it with a new one, when your old comment had been answered by some one else. That action gives the impression that the answer to your first comment was in fact the answer to your second, and unjustly gives a completely different meaning to the whole discussion, and further more, it discredits your fellow editors - IP or not - which now appears to have answered a completely different question than was originally the case. This is not acceptable, could be regarded as deceitful, and it actually deserves an apology from your part. I suspect I could even report this edit of yours to Wikipedia. I trust you will never repeat such a thing. The correct thing would have been to start a new discussion which reflects your new opinion, or simply to make a new comment on this one. Your behavior in this discussion did not give you credit. As for the list, I can see no harm in it, and as long as it does exist it should include slaves from different nations and circumstances, which in my opinion rather makes the differences within the concept of slavery more clear. Thank you--Aciram (talk) 11:23, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo

Gave me a good laugh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.51.4 (talk) 03:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 23:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

This is kind of worded badly.

"To be included in this list the person must have a Wikipedia article showing that they were slaves, or must have references showing that they were slaves and are notable."

This seems like something you might post at the top of the talk page but it really seems out of place on the article page.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Wrong Placement

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