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Pulse (nightclub)

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Not notable in its own right. Everything said here in this short article is already said in the main article on the shooting. In addition this is complete recentism. Nothing in the future will likely be added to this article that will not feature in the main article. Mootros (talk) 10:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

• Redirect to the incident itself. The incident doesn't confer notability on the club but some of the content should be available in the article on the incident. Note: nom has malformed the AfD and accidentally listed the talk page but I'm sure that will be rectified. MLA (talk) 10:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Comment I have fixed the malformed nomination (the talk page had been listed instead of the article page). --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:33, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. The article cites a subscription-only source that a "major" shooting occurred there in May 2013. If someone can gain access, we might find out a lot more about that, but in any case, that means it's not solely related to the 2016 terror attack. There are many crime articles where the shooter gets his own article, just because. How about letting the site targeted also have its own article? I bet there will be a lot more background coming out over the next couple of days, making this much easier to research than it is now. Wnt (talk) 10:43, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Comment Despite Orlando being a heavily tourist oriented place, there's nothing of substance on the club in the usual travel guides in google books. They usually cover notable clubs and hotels in that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

I've added in a bunch of commentary from travel guides. Note that the Frommer's website merely fluffs readers off to other websites for LGBT options, so the usual travel guides really aren't a barometer in this area. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Just going to those sites, Gay Orlando only lists clubs, doesn't describe them; Gay-Guide is for sale, and when I go to the Wayback Machine is much the same as the prior, a location-specific DMOZ of sorts; The Centre is a community non-profit, and its directory is largely (if not only) of GLBT support services. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Keep, for now. Give editors a chance to expand this article. Sources like this and this are helpful, and provide a narrative that goes beyond just the 2016 shooting. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment: I am not !voting in this AFD yet, but I think maybe we should give this article a day or two to maybe find more reliable sources. Kylo, Rey, & Finn Consortium (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Merge no harm in taking time over this to see what sources appear as editors dig into it but with the sources I can find in a cursory search I'd say this needs merging to the shooting article. SPACKlick (talk) 14:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Recent events have made this club very notable, and the detail needed regarding its history would make the shooting article too long.Juneau Mike (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep. The article is useful, as it should and does contain any and all information about Pulse not related to this shooting event. For example, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building has its own article. -Mardus /talk 15:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep. This article showcases plenty of information on board, many of which doesn't fully relate to the shooting right now. Besides, I've seen plenty of articles that showcase much less information then this article has now, and yet we've kept those articles that held only one reference point at hand. – AGreatPhoenixSunsFan (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Merge. No notability except for the shooting incident. Raider Duck (talk) 18:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep because of recent events and the existence of reliable sources. Kylo, Rey, & Finn Consortium (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep. Useful article based on reliable sources.--Gerry1214 (talk) 19:42, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep. Article meets general notability guidelines and contains information that goes beyond the recent shooting. Rab V (talk) 20:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Merge. While the event is clearly notable, Pulse itself probably isn't. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 20:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep per Rab V. Subject is notable per WP:GNG.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 20:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• Keep The article has useful info that's not related to the shooting. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)