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INT/RD proposals

The criteria for recent death nominations has recently changed, per Wikipedia talk:In the news/2016 RD proposal. Anybody with a standalone article is considered notable enough for inclusion, discussion focuses only on article quality. Bockwinkel, Gange, and Rhodes probably would've been posted under this criteria.LM2000 (talk) 10:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Today I learned Dick Beyer didn't die a while back. He could use some sourcing, and Raven could use a picture of Raven instead of some guy's uncle. Goldust is a bit messy, but they'll have to let him in. He's Hollywood famous. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:07, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

If I'm reading the RFC and associated discussion correctly, this means that we'd better get cracking on that Randy Mulkey article so that it will be ready, 'cause Mulkeymania is still fucking running wild. Ahem. As for Raven, I saw a pic in the infobox which looked like him, but also looked like some guy's uncle. Perhaps they're one and the same and that's what you meant? There's a photo of Levy in character further down the article which I feel is more appropriate to depict him for what's he's best known for, but could be considered objectionable to some members of a general audience. Since you mentioned that: I love how this "photo of Bob Armstrong" has proliferated across the encyclopedia, despite the fact that it's sorely lacking in any depiction of Bob Armstrong, yet people act as if it's perfectly normal to mislead readers like that. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 08:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I think I see Bob Armstrong. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:16, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Jack Handey once said if you look at an old man, then at a photo of him when he was a young man, then the old man, then back to the photo, pretty soon you'll do whatever anyone tells you. I don't know about that, but maybe the young guy's nose and eyes are a bit bigger than they should be. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:19, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

• @LM2000, InedibleHulk, and RadioKAOS: - Mr. Fuji as our first nominee...? starship.paint ~ KO 00:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Best manager ever. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:14, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Right off the bat, I spot problems:

1. The lead reads like perfunctory content which exists for the sake of saying the article contains a lead section. It's neither the least bit informative nor the least bit reflective of the article body.
2. Much of the article's sourced content merely repeats match results. This in spite of (in general) WP:INDISCRIMINATE and (specifically) the incongruity of having so many articles which fill up content with match results while a great many other articles are regularly deleted largely on that basis.
3. A fair amount of unsourced content, including multiple cn tags. Speaking to one such passage, it's highly misleading to compare him at all to Yoshiaki Fujiwara. The only thing those two have in common is a shared surname and profession.
4. No mention of Fuji as a seriously hellbent ribber, despite the fact that this is the one aspect of his career mentioned perhaps more than anything else during his retirement years. In fact, as I started writing this, I was sitting at Buns & Nubile browsing a copy of Pat Patterson's autobiography, Accepted. I made it as far as his days in the San Francisco territory before the place closed for the evening. Patterson described one episode wherein he ribbed Pedro Morales, despite the fact that no one ribbed Pedro Morales and got away it. Reference the conversation between Ric Flair and Ron Simmons where Flair asked Simmons about people fucking with him, only to be met with a response of "I'm unfuckable". Anyway, Patterson wrote that when Morales discovered the rib, the boys in the back immediately turned to Fuji-san, which took a load off of his mind. This is more or less the same story told by Muraco about Fuji during the HoF induction, only the exact circumstances were different.
5. I don't believe I saw a single thing in the article which didn't pertain to Fuji as a wrestler. In other words, you can't exactly call something so one-dimensional a "biography". When you consider that Tojo Yamamoto was originally from Hawaii, played a villainous Japanese wrestling character and wound up in Tennessee in later life, I would be curious to know if it was mere coincidence that Fuji followed that exact same path or if there was possibly a reason why. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 06:36, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Redirects

We've had a couple of redirects created by Ranze that I've brought to RfC, they include Madame McMahon, Unicorn Freaks, Raw Champ and Raw Champion. You can voice your thoughts at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 31#Unicorn Freaks.LM2000 (talk) 08:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

New set of Rfds listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 7. They include: Rybotch, Cryback, Big E Jackson, Dawn of the Altitude Era and The Man That Mother Nature Forgot To Make Good-Looking.LM2000 (talk) 22:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh My f'n God. This is beyond mine comprension. As Broken Matt says, DELETE, DELETE.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

@HHH Pedrigree: you seem someone as well-versed if not more well-versed than I am, so I find it implausible that you are unaware of these names having been used.

In special:diff/738267050 when you declare "not real nicknames" I am worried about either your memory or honesty. Ranze (talk) 02:43, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Based on responses like the one above, I've started a discussion about Ranze's behavior at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Ranze on pro wrestling articles. I've requested a topic ban for him on professional wrestling articles.LM2000 (talk) 04:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Current WWE Championships template

I propose that the WWE Championships template gets changed to the same format as the WWE Personnel template and have each brands championships sorted into a similar fashion.

Example:

Raw:
Primary: WWE Universal
Secondary: WWE United States
Divisional: WWE Tag Team . WWE Women's

SmackDown:
Primary: WWE World
Secondary: WWE Intercontinental
Divisional: SmackDown Tag Team . SmackDown Women's

NXT:
Primary: NXT
Divisional: NXT Tag Team . NXT Women's

Accomplishments: Ect.

I would do it myself but I'm not totally skilled with templates, I just like to see your opinion. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 18:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I did it in the styleof {{WWE personnel}}, please tell me if I did anything wrong or if something could be improved. Pinguinn 🐧 17:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

I object to such a change as proposed. It would create subgroupings with only one item, e.g.Group "RAW" with the subgroups "primary" (sole item: WWE Universal), "secondary" (sole item: WWE United States) and "divisional" (two items: WWE Tag Team, WWE Women's). Also, the categories are not really solid. I dread someone coming up "tertiary".

The only fesible way to do this would be if we could create two-dimensional grid, e.g.

Brand       Primary       Secondary         Divisional
Raw         Universal     United States     Women's  Tag Team
Smackdown   World         Intercontinental  Women's  Tag Team
NXT         NXT                             Women's  Tag Team

But I think that is very hard to achieve syntaxwise and frankly not worth the trouble. Str1977 ^(talk) 20:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Look at the already-edited template, and you'll see that your concerns are addressed. It groups by brand, but does nit slides ribs the titles as any particular division or primacy. oknazevad (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

I had already looked at it and I am fine with the current version. I was responding to the proposal above just in case someone actually attempted to implement it.

I have no clue what you mean by "but does nit slides ribs the titles" but maybe I don't need to know. Str1977 ^(talk) 19:05, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Wow, autocorrect has really been playing havoc on me lately! That was supposed to be "but does not ascribe the titles to any particular division of primacy (other than the order in which they're listed). oknazevad (talk) 05:36, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Some football playing wrestlers

There seem to be a few active editors on the wrestling front. I figured I would ask for help on those articles which spread over into your realm, e. g. Doug Wycoff and Bill Middlekauff, or Cy Williams or Frank Speer. Cake (talk) 13:14, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

New title RMs

There are ongoing move requests on Talk:WWE Raw Women's Championship, Talk:WWE Raw Tag Team Championship, Talk:WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship and Talk:WWE SmackDown Women's Championship. All of these involve dropping "WWE" from their title.LM2000 (talk) 03:33, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• Hell the first two should not even have the name "Raw" in them, there is no way that's the "common name" after one show.  MPJ-DK  22:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• WWE officially renamed them to include Raw. --JDC808 ♫ 21:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

At this moment, the evidence for that is still retty slim. Str1977 ^(talk) 20:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

"The title was renamed the Raw Women’s Championship following the 2016 WWE Brand Extension Draft." from WWE.com. Raw's Tag Team title says the same thing (except replacing "Women's" with "Tag Team"). --JDC808 ♫ 23:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

• I absolutely agree, User:MPJ-DK. It is another case of the current outbreak of WP:TOOSOONism on wrestling articles. However, it is just as important to not let it degrade any further. Also, what I think is worse than insert "Raw" in these titles' name is the all to prevalent urge of some to mention the supposed the name change in other articles (such as the SmackDown title articles). Maybe you could chime in. Str1977 ^(talk) 19:08, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

WWE.com redesign

Is anyone else noticing that a lot of old URLs are dying off and not displaying properly because of this lagfest? Just displaying a "WWE: Premier Shows" overview? Where possible I'm hoping archive.org could come to the rescue, but otherwise perhaps it's possible to find them in a different format via the new archive setups at http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/archive and http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/archive and http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/archive curious hidden at the bottoms of their pages? The impression I've gotten is even viewing these they seem to have merged some things together instead of having distinct page URLs like they used to.

As follow-up... is anyone even able to navigate these archive pages? I click it and there's this drop-down menu with years but when I click the years nothing happens. Ranze (talk) 03:52, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Archive.org should be able to help out. They're good about that. I've found captures of WCW.com from the like '98-'01, so they should be able to get more recent stuff from WWE.com. You click the year, then it breaks it down to month and the days of the month that they have archived. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 03:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Two wwe title templates

There are currently two WWE Championship templates, Template:Current WWE Champions and Template:WWE Championships. We can't have two of these, one is enough, so which one are we gonna keep and delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:5644:600:F478:BDEB:F930:5BE6 (talk) 07:25, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Delete first, keep second. --JDC808 ♫ 16:25, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree. The firs is way too bloated and a template listing all the current champs seems unecessary to me. Str1977 ^(talk) 20:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Revisionist history agenda plaguing the pro wrestling section on Wikipedia?

What's with the WWF Championship being renamed "WWF World Heavyweight Championship" all over Wikipedia? On WWF TV in the 90s, the title was clearly referred to as the "WWF Championship". I challenge anyone to find a Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels/Diesel clip where they are described as the "WWF World Heavyweight Champion". Didn't happen, although the articles of those men (and numerous others) are now permeated by this new wording. WCW announcers very much DID call their titleholder "World Heavyweight Champion", but WWF ones didn't.

Is there a revisionist history agenda plaguing, and undermining the credibility of, the pro wrestling section here on Wiki? 185.54.163.136 (talk) 10:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)