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Tone of ‘General misunderstanding’ section

I do not believe that the General misunderstanding section as it is currently presented is in an unbiased and encyclopaedic tone. My edit to this effect was reverted, so I post this here for comment. The section currently presents only one perspective, and implicitly attacks without reservation the press and Angela Merkel for failing to agree with the intended interpretation. Furthermore, I do not believe that the tone of the section - with phrases such as 'Apparently', 'juicy phrases', 'things that everybody knows are ridiculous', and the like - fits with the factual tone of Wikipedia.

I came here from the German article and immediately had the same thought. The section reads like someone was trying to justify the poems' contents. Not that I'm opposed to the current idea of the section, but I don't think it is the Wikipedia that should be commenting/interpreting Böhmermanns poem. I've added a Neutrality dispute box. RumpelSchwabbel (talk) 07:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. It's totally partisan! For which side, I don't know; it sounds like it's trying to trivialize the whole thing and sweep it under the rug. It has a finger wagging tone, like some fussy person who doesn't get the conflict but is embarrassed at the scandal. Let's stick to the facts in Wikipedia. We can all generate philosophy by ourselves, good or bad. 67.170.236.50 (talk) 07:51, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't speculate that far TBH, but I also can't say I'm too fussed about the section being gone. RumpelSchwabbel (talk) 08:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is a source. Rewrite it using this or other sources, but don't remove it. The general content about satire is factually correct, only the tone may be not appropiate.--Gerry1214 (talk) 08:34, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Intention of Böhmermann

 [...] Böhmermann announced he would try to figure out what is the line between legitimate criticism [...], and "abusive criticism"

As far as I understood, he announced to "illustrate" or "clarify" the difference between the two. He said multiple times before, during and after reciting his poem that this would not be covered by freedom of speech and that it would be illegal even in Germany. Trying to figure out the difference may have been his actual intention, but that was not what he announced in his show. Please read the full context at [2] (page is in German only). --91.17.252.192 (talk) 10:26, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it.--Gerry1214 (talk) 12:25, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First court ruling is in

--Kmhkmh (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The poem (and translation)

Sources: The back of the hill (April 17, 2016). "Turkish quatrains by a German poet: Ein schmäh Gedicht von Jan Böhmermann"., The Dirty German Ditty That Got Erdogan So Angry That He Sued Dirty ditty about Turkey’s leader creates diplomatic row Does Anyone Speak Germanglish? I Need Help With A Poem About Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan

This translation avoids rearranging words. Although awkward in English, subject-object-verb order ("I water drank") is natural in German grammar and commonly used for emphassis.

German original

Word-for-word translation


Schmähkritik

Ein Gedicht von Jan Böhmermann



Sackdoof, feige und verklemmt,

  ist Erdogan der Präsident.

Sein Gelöt stinkt schlimm nach Döner,

  selbst ein Schweinefurz riecht schöner.



Er ist der Mann, der Mädchen schlägt,

  und dabei Gummimasken trägt.

Am liebsten mag er Ziegen ficken,

  und Minderheiten unterdrücken,



Kurden treten, Christen hauen,

  und dabei Kinderpornos schauen.

Und selbst Abends heißt's statt schlafen,

  Fellatio mit hundert Schafen.



Ja, Erdogan ist voll und ganz,

  ein Präsident mit kleinem Schwanz.

Jeden Türken hört man flöten:

  die dumme Sau hat Schrumpelklöten.



Von Ankara bis Istanbul,

  weiß jeder, dieser Mann ist schwul,

pervers, verlaust und zoophil—

  Referring to two infamous rapists, like calling him "Recep Manson Bernardo".



Sein Kopf so leer, wie seine Eier,

  der Star auf jeder Gangbang-Feier.

Bis der Schwanz beim pinkeln brennt,

  das ist Recep Erdogan, der türkische Präsident.

Abusive Criticism
A poem by Jan Böhmermann

Lit. "sack-stupid", the German expression has no direct English equivalent., cowardly, and "Clamped", lit. jammed or stuck. When applied to a person, uptight.,
  is Erdoğan the president.
His thingie stinks bad as A reference to a German tainted meat scandal.,[1]
  even a pig fart smells prettier.

He is the man, I.e. who beats girls,
  while rubber mask wearing.
Best likes he goat fucking
  and minorities suppressing.

Kurds stomping, Christians bashing,
  and meanwhile kiddie-porn watching.
And even evenings instead of sleeping,
  fellatio with [a] hundred sheep.

Yes, Erdogan is completely and totally
  a president with [a] tiny prick.
I.e. One hears every Turk whistling.:
  the stupid sow Lit. "has shrivelled balls", the expression refers to a failure of courage..

From Ankara to Istanbul,
  Knows each [person], this man is Lit. "humid", "schwul" is the most common German term for a gay man, but has a somewhat more effeminate connotation than "gay" in English.,
perverted, louse-infested, and zoophile—
  Recep Fritzl Priklopil.

His head as empty, as his Lit. "eggs".,
  the star at every gang-bang party.
Until the prick, when tinkling, (due to a venereal disease),
  this is Recep Erdoğan, the Turkish president.

71.41.210.146 (talk) 14:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]