Talk:DC Extended Universe

Upcoming Films

can we move Shazam, Cyborg, and Green Lantern Corps to the Upcoming Films section since they all have announced release dates ? Phileo (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Can you provide the source? --luckymustard (talk) 14:16, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

^haha this guy.... the 'source' is the inittial announcement, User:luckymustard. No other source is needed.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 07:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

It still seems like a link to something would be nice to provide when discussing these movies User:Phileo. I don't know what this "inittial announcement" is that you are referring to User:DisneyMetalhead. --luckymustard (talk) 15:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

The initial announcement I referred to was way back when the slate for the DCEU was announced. The films have release dates. That's reference enough. Also - at SDCC this year their releases were again reiterated. It's common knowledge now.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Harley Quinn/Joker film

An editor keeps reverting edits that incorporate the newly announced film that is in development, without giving a good reason other than stating that the section needs a good source. Screenrant has been and is a reliable source throughout Wikipedia - so I don't know what they're looking for. The film should be listed on this page.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 07:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Screenrant is not a reliable source for contentious material such as this. One look at their news archive shows they just post any rumors or speculation they can find, including from sources such as Reddit and 4chan. [1] [2] [3] And in my experience, rumors that are not corroborated by The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, or Deadline are best to be avoided. Prefall 13:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

...I have never heard Screenrant called unreliable. They do well at citing their sources and are referenced all over Wikipedia. The articles you just called out by name are ones with the word 'rumor' in them. Not to mention that multiple sources have reported on the Joker/Harley Quinn film. You're now upping the contentious nature of the discussion by selectively choosing which sources are reliable and which are not? That doesn't make sense to me.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, yeah. There are sources that are reliable and those that are not. A quick Google search only shows the report covered by sites such as Nerdist, CBR, Bleeding Cool, Moviepilot, Cinemablend, etc. So, just more sites that regularly re-post speculation and rumors. Those sources may be fine to use for something that is easily verifiable, such as interviews, but not when it comes to spreading rumors that originate from themselves.

This is not a rumor mill nor fan page, so there should be no problem with waiting until it is confirmed by an actor/producer or an established source per WP:FILM/R. Prefall 03:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

User:Prefall, not one of those sources I listed are 'rumor mill' nor 'fansite' material. Your antagonistic, non-collaborative attitude towards other editors is conflictive and not at all constructive.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:22, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

My rumor mill and fan page comments were in reference to this article, which is a prime target for the latest rumors and trivia. I'm not sure how I'm being antagonistic and non-collaborative. My perspective has always been to stay as close to the confirmed details as possible to avoid the risk of misleading readers. Prefall 06:01, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

A Joker and Harley Quinn film has now been confirmed by THR. Prefall 01:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad that Hollywood Reporter is reliable enough for you. Seems like you are picking and choosing what sources to trust.--65.130.247.132 (talk) 02:59, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

That's how Wikipedia works, yes. Prefall 03:00, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Conundrum regarding release dates

WB's slate has always been a mess, so I'm not sure if the article's handling of certain dates is as accurate as it should be. Here's a timeline of the events:

• In August 2014, WB assigned dates to 9 untitled DC films. [4] Two months later, they announced a slate of 10 films, but only attached years to them rather than specific dates. [5] [6]
• Over the years, numerous reliable sources have "matched" the order of the initial slate to the placeholder dates. [7] [8] However, WB did not confirm any of those dates beyond Justice League.
• An updated slate announcement occurred at Comic-Con last weekend, which lacked any release years or dates. [9] [10]
• This week, a THR report on Shazam being the next DC film to enter production says that it will "likely release in 2019", indicating that a release date is not yet known. [11] And today, in confirming Wonder Woman 2's release date, THR stated that the only other DC films with release dates are Justice League and Aquaman. [12]

I think it is best to remove the unconfirmed dates from the article. This will affect Shazam, Cyborg (which was not even acknowledged in the recent slate announcement), and Green Lantern Corps. Does anyone disagree? Prefall 05:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

With no responses after four days, I have gone ahead and boldly made the change. Prefall 07:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Late to respond, but I agreed with your reasoning, per how things were actually revealed and "officially" confirmed (or not). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I see you have reverted the changes DisneyMetalhead. What are your thoughts on these points? Prefall 03:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Prefall, we cannot assume things purely based off of speculation. The only DCEU films which have had their release dates adjusted per official announcements from WB are the Justice League sequel, and Flash (now retitled Flashpoint). Until there is officially a press release with new release dates - these need to remain. The 2017 SDCC announcement was merely the titles of upcoming films - no release dates, besides Shazam and Wonder Woman II. Because of these reasons, the release dates all need to remain as stated by Warner Bros.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

In conjunction with that - article authors' inconsistencies in their pages make no differences to the studios' official announcements.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Do you have a source on them confirming a release date for Shazam at SDCC? I don't recall that. Still, I have adjusted the article to only include years as per their official slate announcement in 2014. That should suffice for now. Prefall 04:47, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Variety is now also saying that Aquaman and WW2 are the only post-JL films with release dates. Prefall 02:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC) What they are stating could or could not be accurate, as rumours are often speculation. The issue here however is that the article is simply stating that they are the films with slated release dates.--65.130.247.132 (talk) 02:58, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Lobo and Deadshot films

Both of these movies were confirmed by the studio to be in development, why have they been removed from this page?--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Deadshot has not been confirmed as being greenlit yet. Last we heard WB was still "looking into" the project and that was 9 months ago. WB has yet to acknowledge Lobo as part of the DCEU. Prefall 18:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

When Jason Mamoa was in the running for Aquaman, he was also rumored to be a Lobo contender. Same can be said of Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson. Along with that, a writer from Wonder Woman is reported to be writing for the Lobo film as a next project in the DC film universe. It's pretty plain here and here.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:10, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

There's also reliable sources that plainly state that Deadshot's film is in development within the studio here and here.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:13, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't necessarily oppose the inclusion of Lobo as certain reliable sources believe it will be in the DCEU, but it is worth proceeding with caution due to WB's lack of confirmation.

As for Deadshot, the Hollywood Reporter article is what I was referring to. They say WB was only "looking into" it at that point, unlike Suicide Squad 2 and Gotham City Sirens, which were in active production. It seems their quote is often misunderstood as "a Deadshot film is for sure happening." Prefall 06:01, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Until the studio states that Lobo is not a part of the DCEU, reliable sources have stated that it is. It should be included here.--65.130.247.132 (talk) 02:57, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

The Joker origin film

The studio has now announced that a Joker origin film is currently in development by Warner Bros. albeit with a younger actor taking the role. Writers, a director, and producers are all attached and announced. The question is what the 'banner' is that the report discusses. Speculation has turned to the DC Multiverse as a possibility but the fact remains that the studio has stated the intention is to expand on their DC films' characters, here.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

The Batman & Cyborg

http://www.superherohype.com/news/403519-the-batman-not-part-of-dceu-plus-luthor-cut-from-justice-league

The Batman is a stand alone possible trilogy not connected to the DCEU. Cyborg movie is scrapped. --2601:5C6:8201:2D36:D1DB:E391:5AB3:C27A (talk) 01:01, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Inconclusive thus far. WB announced The Batman as part of their upcoming slate at SDCC (which occurred after the Reeves interview). The actors are still indicating that Cyborg is an active project despite WB's lack of communication regarding it. Prefall 01:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

All Reeves was saying obviously is that the film doesn't need to lead into other films, but can be self-contained. Heck, maybe it will be a prequel film(?). We just don't know. The actor who plays Cyborg has stated that the film is still in development.--65.130.247.132 (talk) 02:54, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Sirens == Joker and Harley?

Deadline reports that the Gotham City Sirens film has transformed into the now-confirmed Joker and Harley Quinn movie, with a new creative team (no more Ayer). Variety says that it is unclear at this point. I don't think it is worth making the change yet until further information is available, but thought it was a useful note. Prefall 02:37, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Hate to point this out, but I'm sure glad that ScreenRant was correct months ago when they announced a Joker/Harley Quinn film. It is not official whether or not the Joker/Harley Quinn film is Gotham City Sirens. David Ayer has talked about the latter multiple times recently.--65.130.247.132 (talk) 02:56, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Deadline has now updated their story, stating that the films are indeed separate. Prefall 03:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Are you a Deadline junky? That's where all of your references and citations come from, which is fine -I'm just curious as to why that could be?--50.232.205.246 (talk) 18:52, 24 August 2017 (UTC)