User talk:Primefac

StatCrunch

Primefac, Thanks for the StatCrunch help a few months ago. Sorry for very slow response. The StatCrunch entry that you made in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_Education allowed me to update these pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_statistical_packages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistical_packages

I would still like to create a separate StatCrunch entry. I made some updates to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:StatCrunch Could you take a look and see if that helps any? I added a few references that help with the history, added two awards that StatCrunch received, and described a major feature that differentiates StatCrunch from other stat packages. Thanks, Mark Barton — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkBarton (talk • contribs) 05:09, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

MarkBarton, personally I'm still a bit on the fence. A one-paragraph-and-two-sentences draft, particularly about a computer program, is generally best to have as a subsection of existing articles. However, if you can find a good reference explaining how the whole "multiple graphs" thing is unique/important/etc, then it might pass the notability threshold and be worth its own page. Good luck! Primefac (talk) 01:30, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Primefac, I added a lot more substance to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:StatCrunch. I added some history and some information about the software itself, in "History" and "Software" sections. I think that the history is of genuine interest, since it shows the evolution over 20 years, including National Science Foundation funding -- quite different than a typical commercial software package. Also, I added information about the software functionality itself, covering important aspects of the software which are not mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_statistical_packages. And finally, I've added a "See Also" section and an Infobox. I think that the "See Also" section is important because it points to the Comparison of Statistical Packages page, which is where the StatCrunch functionality is documented. Much of what I added was motivated by looking at the Wikipedia entries for the statistical software packages most similar to StatCrunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPSS, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitab, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JMP_(statistical_software). There is more that could be added about StatCrunch that would be useful and appropriate, I think -- you can see the length of the SPSS article, for instance -- but I'm stopping here for now. By the way, is the Alexa ranking a consideration in creating a separate Wikipedia entry? StatCrunch.com was hitting around 40000 last May, and should be at about the same level when the fall semester usage peaks in another month or so. Thanks for your continued refining feedback! MarkBarton (talk) 18:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Primefac, I see that you approved it, thanks! And thanks for educating me along the way. I've enjoyed reading your interactions with other people, and learning from that. It makes me want to contribute to the Wikipedia editing effort. I've already jumped in and done some minor copy editing on a few random articles that were flagged as needing it. I hope to do more. MarkBarton (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

You're very welcome, MarkBarton, and thanks for taking all of the suggestions in stride (there are some folks who just get annoyed and quit!). Drop me a line if you ever have any questions. Primefac (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Brook Benton

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia...and frankly, very confused about what I've seen so far....as far as attempting to add to the Reference and External Links sections. So...just when I think I have those areas figured out, and make my contributions to the Brook Benton page, they disappear.

Obviously, I am a Brook Benton fan...or I wouldn't be trying to increase other fan's (or other researcher's) knowledge about Brook Benton. I wrote the Brook Benton- "Let Me Sing and I'll Be Happy" article for Goldmine Magazine...and felt that it would be a good addition to the excellent material about Benton on his Wikipedia page. After I wrote my article, I learned of the wonderful biographical/discographical Gradischnig/Maitner book, "There Goes That Song Again".

Anyone interested in Brook Benton would want to know of these two available resources that further enhance the information provided on Benton's Wikipedia page. What better place than Wikipedia to bring those resources to the public's attention? And where else but the "Reference" and "External Links" sections? The Benton Wikipedia page, the book and the article all cover some of the same ground...in varying degrees...complementing one another. Consider the book and the article as supplementing and expanding the Wikipedia page.Bronckster (talk) 16:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Bronckster, you would have to talk to Dammitkevin about it (though I've just pinged them so they may respond here) but generally speaking if you're adding a reference, it should be added in order to support something in the body of the article. In other words, we shouldn't just be placing random books/articles/sources at the bottom of the page, because it could (in theory) become huge and bloated with too many articles. There are a few places where the article could use some more verification, so if any of the unreferenced bits can be referenced by the book then you're welcome to re-add the reference inside <ref>...</ref> tags in the appropriate location. Primefac (talk) 01:37, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

I put the reasoning in my edit summary both times "references have to actually be used to be references" These additions weren't actually referencing anything and therefore they weren't references. Dammitkevin (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

I figured as much, just wanted to ping you in case there was more. Primefac (talk) 19:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Response:

Brook Benton Response:

I'm a reasonable person and do understand what you're saying, but perhaps the policy you are referring to is a bit too strict, could be relaxed somewhat... and situations like this considered on a case by case basis. If we're talking about Elvis Presley or Alexander Hamilton, for example, where a multitude of books and articles have been written about them, that's one thing. But we're talking about Brook Benton...an extraordinary singer/songwriter practically forgotten, even by the powers that be in the recording/entertainment industry. The Benton Wikipedia page , the Gradischnig/Maitner book and my article are just about all you will find, of any substance, anywhere, on Brook Benton.

Because there is a dearth of good, solid, accurate information about Benton in the public sphere, my purpose was to show that there are two reputable resources available (other than Wikipedia), which go into far greater depth about Benton's life, as a man...and the music he created, whether it was the songs he wrote or his performance style. Wikipedia, I didn't think, was meant to be an all encompassing vehicle to capture everything about a subject. I guess that's why I thought my contributions would be welcome...as a means to enhance Wikipedia's Benton page...while also serving as a launch pad for those interested in learning of resources available for further research.

I was trying to be helpful. If what I tried to do for Brook Benton is not acceptable to Wikipedia, I'm ok with that. Bronckster (talk) 00:26, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, Bronckster, sometimes you have to ignore all the rules ;) Primefac (talk) 02:02, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Dear Primefac,

Good Lord, it's hard to get the hang of where everything belongs...but anyway, thanks for adding the book to the Reference Section, and in the process, showing me how I should address adding the Goldmine article. I do appreciate the help.Bronckster (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Need help: I was going to use the "refToolbar", but could only get so far with it. I clicked on "Cite" which brought up "Templates". Clicking on "cite web" did not bring up a new window with blank fields to fill in, such as URL. If the "refToolbar" is not available to me, what's the best way to accomplish what I want to do? Bronckster (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Ghadeer Alzaben

Hello Primefac,

As per your request, I have managed the external links accordingly. I have also added some more references.

Kindest regards.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Khalid Alansari (talk • contribs) 22:00, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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Dear Primefac,

As per your instructions I have addressed the matter of the external links and have successfully managed to include some more references. I therefore humbly request that you re-review the article and pray that you grace my demand with acceptance.

Kindest regards. Ali Alansari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Khalid Alansari (talk • contribs) 23:11, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Ali Khalid Alansari, I see you've added some more references, which is good. I suggest that you move the relevant ones into the body of the text so that they are following the statements they are meant to verify. This can be done by placing the reference inside <ref>...</ref> tags and moving it after the sentence it supports.

For example: This is an example statement.<ref>This is the reference URL</ref>

More information can be found at WP:REFB (in particular, Section 3.1). Good luck, and let me know if you have any further questions. Primefac (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Dear Primefac, I really appreciate your help and hope that things will work out well. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Khalid Alansari (talk • contribs) 08:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Singapore at the 2018 Winter Olympics

So was there a more appropriate speedy delete category for making something up? Or do you mean that a PROD or AFD are necessary since it is a real competitor who may or may not compete in the final qualification event for the Olympics? Not a challenge to your decision, just an honest question.18abruce (talk) 00:45, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

18abruce, {{db-hoax}} is the right tag for something that's made up. However, I declined because there was a genuine possibility that Singapore might actually get someone to the Olympics in 2018 (it's a very small possibility, but enough to not completely eliminate the page from existence). I wanted to err on the side of keeping the page for now rather than a) edit war over its creation or b) have to remember to check if it should be restored later. I think your decision to redirect is a good one, and I will be happy to delete it down the line if it turns out there really is no Singapore delegation. Just drop me a note if they're "officially" not going. Primefac (talk) 00:49, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay thank you, that makes sense.18abruce (talk) 01:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Unprotecting Kamau Kenyatta

I've stepped in cleaned up and de-plagiarized the last remaining sentence of Draft:Kamau Kenyatta. Could you unprotect it from article creation so we can clear this out of the AfC backlog. I know you just looked at in and the citations are still not perfect, but this is a maintenance issue that needs to be flagged and moved into the mainspace.--Carwil (talk) 01:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

If you think it's good to go, sure. Primefac (talk) 01:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

G4 check

Could you do a G4 check on BCMMetrics (deleted here)? I also was considering it for A7 given that it makes no claims of significance and from what I can tell after checking them, none of the references mention it. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Functionally identical. Primefac (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, completely unrelated, but I noticed when checking if you were online/from being a DGG tps that you removed this stating the MfD wasn't bundled, when the nom thought it (and it is mentioned in the MfD) as being bundled. Just thought I would give you an FYI. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Yup, missed it. It was rather buried inside indents, and all I saw was your comment regarding how different the sandbox version was to the nominated version. Personally, I think the sandbox version was substantially different and could use a different MFD if necessary (particularly since it was rather "thrown in" three days before the MFD closed). Primefac (talk) 15:49, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I actually didn't connect into just now that I had commented on that. Too many XfDs recently 🙃 TonyBallioni (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Vertebrata foetidissima = Polysiphonia foetidissima

Thanks for your advice.Osborne 16:50, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

MASCARA

Hi. I just noticed that you deleted this article as a copyvio. @Artem Korzhimanov said in the edit summary of the first edit "based on texts provided by ESO under CC-BY 4.0 license (see http://www.eso.org/public/copyright/)" - does that license not apply for this article? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Mike Peel, the CC-BY release is only for specific things (press releases, captions, etc). The second-to-last FAQ specifically exempts things like what were taken for the MASCARA page:

Q: I want to use text from the ESO website, but it is not part of a press release, announcement, picture of the week or caption. Can I still use this?

A: No, other texts on the ESO website are not released under Creative Commons.

It's an odd way to license things, but the page it was taken from definitely didn't fall under the press releases, announcements, pictures of the week and captions copyright exemption. Primefac (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Aah, fair enough. That is an odd way to license things. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:57, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Aye, no problem. I'd rather have someone call me out on something odd than sit silently wondering! Primefac (talk) 01:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) I've recreated the article using the non-copyvio information and rewriting the rest, please have a look and let me know if it is still problematic. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks for doing that. Primefac (talk) 01:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The definite article is added

Primefac, I have one more contribution, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Our_Saviour%2C_Copenhagen&type=revision&diff=797817618&oldid=796683503 Primefac, it seems to me that I am right in this case. Am I right this time? BigSugarDaddy (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that one's okay. Primefac (talk) 18:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the response! BigSugarDaddy (talk) 09:45, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Draft:Shree Shivkrupanand Swami - Changes made as per recommended

Dear Sir, Thank you for checking my Wikipedia article and suggesting the changes. The three suggested changes have been made and I am resubmitting it again now. Kindly review and advise if there are any more suggestions. I am new to this and appreciate your guidance. Would request you to Approve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bolemanoj (talk • contribs) 07:49, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Draft has been resubmitted and declined along similar reasons. While the excess of references at the end has been removed, as well as the promotional language toned down somewhat, the most important issue (and the reason it was declined again) was a complete lack of inline sources to give verification for the text given. Primefac (talk) 12:28, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Lotfi A. Zadeh

Hi: Just a heads up: someone just added September 6th as a death date for Zadeh, citing in their edit summary the Berkeley Initiative for Soft Computing, but I've checked there and see no mention of it, and there are no hits on Google or Google News. As before, it's certainly possible that he died, but there's no RS as of yet to confirm it. I've notified the editor who added the date that they need a citation from an impeccable source, so we'll see if that nips this in the bud.

I just wanted to let you know in case this becomes another runaway situation like before. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

The first editor to put it in the article (this time), Gizgalasi, cited this as the source. As I pointed out, that's just a comment posted to a discussion board, and therefore not a reliable source. Now, an Azerbaijan source has picked up on that report -- supposedly from the same person here. This is still not reliable, certainly, to report a death - we should wait for a recognized news outlet before including it in the article.

But the dam has burst. I've now removed it three times. I think it's time to fully protect the article until we have a reliable report. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

One week protection should do it. I've put it back on my watchlist as well. Primefac (talk) 11:26, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you once again. I continue to monitor the situation. More news reports, but all of them Azerbaijaini, and all of them based on the reports from that one "family friend". I've reached out to Zadeh's research assistant for information. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:06, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again for your assistance on this. I hope I don't have to call on you again for a similar problem elsewhere. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

No worries, feel free to ping me whenever if the need arises. Primefac (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Lotfi A. Zadeh

Hello. Why you are reverted my last edit ? He is He passed away in September 6. --Baskervill (talk) 12:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Baskervill, I did not revert anyone. This is a question for the talk page. Primefac (talk) 12:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Haitianism

You just deleted a page based on a copyright violation that actually was a mirror of Wikipedia, congratulations for that. Thank you. Appah Rao (talk) 20:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Appah Rao, if you're copying directly from a Wikipedia mirror (i.e. Wikipedia itself) then it shouldn't be on its own page. While I admit that in this case G12 is not applicable, A10 certainly is valid and I have no intention of undeleting the page. Primefac (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Is this a violation of a Tban?

On 22 July 2017 a Tban was imposed on myself and JJbers. Neither one of us are allowed to edit any article regarding Connecticut until after 22 Jan 2018. I found this on the Westport CT article dated 28 August 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Westport,_Connecticut&diff=797704146&oldid=797679671 FYI Thank you, ——→StephenTS42 (talk) 03:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

StephenTS42, WP:BANEX gives exemptions for reverting vandalism, which is what that edit appears to be. Primefac (talk) 15:02, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Primefac Thank for your answer. It could also appear that the edit immediately prior to the reversion, (by editor 69.120.181.175) was done so to give licence for the reversion by the banned editor, JJBers.

Can the editor 69.120.181.175 be wiki checked, or otherwise investigated? I suspect evasion here and yet I hope I am wrong. It would be a good thing to know it wasn't (evasion). Thank you! ——→StephenTS42 (talk) 21:36, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

If you really think that he might be vandalising while logged out in order to circumvent his TBAN by reverting vandalism you're welcome to take it up at SPI. Quite frankly I'm surprised I even had to write that sentence, because that's a very strange way to go about things.

I do thank you for bringing this to my attention so that I could look over it, but I'm fairly certain there's nothing actionable here. Primefac (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Primefac I trust your judgement and will drop the stick here. Thank you for your time.——→StephenTS42 (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

European Centre of Excellence for Countering Hybrid Threats

Dear Primefac, the information in European Centre of Excellence for Countering Hybrid Threats was taken from the original PRESS RELEASE, intended for free republishing! This information was repeated dozens of times on different web-sites. Isn't it free? --Perohanych (talk) 16:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Perohanych, according to their website, their press releases are copyrighted, and their "release" clause is not compatible with Wikipedia. Thus, it cannot be copied directly to Wikipedia. Primefac (talk) 17:42, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Template:Doctrinaires/meta/shortname

Never seen one before. Should it be in stale draft space? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Template:Doctrinaires/meta/shortname Legacypac (talk) 16:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Legacypac, given that there does not appear to be a shortname for the Doctrinaires, the template itself is rather useless, so I've deleted it as G13 (since it is a valid deletion criteria). Primefac (talk) 23:02, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I tend to use G2 for blank (or those that just repeat the title) pages and G11, G3 etc as applicable so they are not subject to wasting effort with REFUND. Thanks Legacypac (talk) 02:54, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Arbcom

He might still be smarting under the outcome of this. I think there would be a boomerang. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:29, 10 September 2017 (UTC)