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:* I don't think this is enough. At the end of the day, what's notable is the event (sinking of the Titanic) and not the newspaper boy who happened to be photographed. The chapter on Parfett in the Van Emden begins "His name remains virtually unknown but his face is famous around the world." It then explains that "for many years" his identity "remained unknown and unheralded, except by his close-knit south London family" and that the story was told with his family's assistance. In other words, he's a curiosity for his appearance in the photograph, but that's it. [[User talk:Agtx|<span style="color:#8B008B">'''agt'''</span><span style="color:#000000">x</span>]] 21:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC) |
:* I don't think this is enough. At the end of the day, what's notable is the event (sinking of the Titanic) and not the newspaper boy who happened to be photographed. The chapter on Parfett in the Van Emden begins "His name remains virtually unknown but his face is famous around the world." It then explains that "for many years" his identity "remained unknown and unheralded, except by his close-knit south London family" and that the story was told with his family's assistance. In other words, he's a curiosity for his appearance in the photograph, but that's it. [[User talk:Agtx|<span style="color:#8B008B">'''agt'''</span><span style="color:#000000">x</span>]] 21:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:** Sorry, but I think you have that backwards. The image hasbeen included in multiple high profile collections of the most iconic images of the 20th Century. The identity of the newsboy in this very widely distributed was not recorded, at the time. Editors who published the photo described his identity as a mystery. After a long time his identity became known. Now he is celebrated, both for his appearance in one of the most widely reproduced images of the 20th Century, but also for being a war hero, who was killed at the train depot, when he was being sent home, shortly before the armistice. <p>The image is old enough to be in the public domain, and the article should contain it. <p>Some might argue the article should be renamed [[Titanic newspaperboy]], or something like that. <p>We've decided to have stand alone article before, for individuals mainly known for their appearance in widely republished photos, like [[Marcy Borders]], the ''"dust lady"''. [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|talk]]) 18:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
:** Sorry, but I think you have that backwards. The image hasbeen included in multiple high profile collections of the most iconic images of the 20th Century. The identity of the newsboy in this very widely distributed was not recorded, at the time. Editors who published the photo described his identity as a mystery. After a long time his identity became known. Now he is celebrated, both for his appearance in one of the most widely reproduced images of the 20th Century, but also for being a war hero, who was killed at the train depot, when he was being sent home, shortly before the armistice. <p>The image is old enough to be in the public domain, and the article should contain it. <p>Some might argue the article should be renamed [[Titanic newspaperboy]], or something like that. <p>We've decided to have stand alone article before, for individuals mainly known for their appearance in widely republished photos, like [[Marcy Borders]], the ''"dust lady"''. [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|talk]]) 18:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:You mean [[Marcy Borders]] who SURVIVED the collapse of the twin towers. She isn't notable for being the dust lady, this adds to her notability. Rather, she is notable for being a survivor. |
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Classic one event, though not a BLP. The one supporting article was written by his great-nephew. DGG ( talk ) 15:43, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Falls under WP:BIO1E. agtx 17:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete (if it was properly sourced, it might be worth a mention in some article about the Titanic).E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Fails SOLDIER (and NEWSPAPERBOY). 1E (photograph of him).Icewhiz (talk) 19:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- completely NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep the authors of Famous: 1914-1918 devoted a whole chapter, 14 pages, to Parfett. OTROS ASPECTOS TÉCNICOS Y HUMANOS DEL RMS “TITANIC” has multiple references to him. Google translate tells me this article is about a modern artist who works with iconic old photos, and adapts them for ironic political commentary. The article particularly addresses the artist's use of the famous Ned Parfett image.
- " Moreover, the historical photographs used by Shaun Tan are also decontextualized from their historicity regime even if they do not nonetheless constitute a strong point of anchorage on the scale of the iconographic narrative. The famous example of Ned Parfett, a boy who sells newspapers announcing the sinking of the Titanic is significant here. Shaun Tan is inspired by this image but the cropping and erasing of the original photograph all the historical clues (ie the announcement on the front page of the titanic maritime disaster journal) replacing the typography of the newspaper by an original graphic translation of a fictional language atemporelle and voluntarily incomprehensible.Parmore, for the Australian cartoonist maintain the family bond is a guarantee of survival."
- Smarty-pants scholars assume other smarty-pants scholars will know who Ned Parfett is. Those of us who aren't smarty-pants scholars need a wikipedia article that explains who he is. Geo Swan (talk) 21:04, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think this is enough. At the end of the day, what's notable is the event (sinking of the Titanic) and not the newspaper boy who happened to be photographed. The chapter on Parfett in the Van Emden begins "His name remains virtually unknown but his face is famous around the world." It then explains that "for many years" his identity "remained unknown and unheralded, except by his close-knit south London family" and that the story was told with his family's assistance. In other words, he's a curiosity for his appearance in the photograph, but that's it. agtx 21:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I think you have that backwards. The image hasbeen included in multiple high profile collections of the most iconic images of the 20th Century. The identity of the newsboy in this very widely distributed was not recorded, at the time. Editors who published the photo described his identity as a mystery. After a long time his identity became known. Now he is celebrated, both for his appearance in one of the most widely reproduced images of the 20th Century, but also for being a war hero, who was killed at the train depot, when he was being sent home, shortly before the armistice.
The image is old enough to be in the public domain, and the article should contain it.
Some might argue the article should be renamed Titanic newspaperboy, or something like that.
We've decided to have stand alone article before, for individuals mainly known for their appearance in widely republished photos, like Marcy Borders, the "dust lady". Geo Swan (talk) 18:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I think you have that backwards. The image hasbeen included in multiple high profile collections of the most iconic images of the 20th Century. The identity of the newsboy in this very widely distributed was not recorded, at the time. Editors who published the photo described his identity as a mystery. After a long time his identity became known. Now he is celebrated, both for his appearance in one of the most widely reproduced images of the 20th Century, but also for being a war hero, who was killed at the train depot, when he was being sent home, shortly before the armistice.
- I don't think this is enough. At the end of the day, what's notable is the event (sinking of the Titanic) and not the newspaper boy who happened to be photographed. The chapter on Parfett in the Van Emden begins "His name remains virtually unknown but his face is famous around the world." It then explains that "for many years" his identity "remained unknown and unheralded, except by his close-knit south London family" and that the story was told with his family's assistance. In other words, he's a curiosity for his appearance in the photograph, but that's it. agtx 21:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- You mean Marcy Borders who SURVIVED the collapse of the twin towers. She isn't notable for being the dust lady, this adds to her notability. Rather, she is notable for being a survivor.